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By mr_debauch Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:01 pm
scoobylol wrote:
Adding another set of monitors to a poor sounding room is silly.


Well adding the first pair would be silly with that situation... not just the second pair.



I think that was the idea behind the front ported designs of KRK... and what not.
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By scoobylol Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:18 pm
misslipsandhips wrote:Scoobylol,

You are talking about these bad boys?
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Genelec-803 ... 1442194.gc

That's a large price tag, but they look sexy!

And I'm sure they have much higher fidelity than my BX5s's.


That's them.

Debauch, I agree. Although it's hard to really understand the way your room affects the mix until you've put that initial set of monitors in there.
By MCL Wed Sep 22, 2010 6:46 pm
MCL wrote:
MCL wrote:what kind of room - and dimensions?


Lol - I give up...
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By misslipsandhips Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:40 pm
MCL,

The room is a second bedroom (carpeted) with something like 13' x 11' Feet.

My intent was to place a large diffuser directly behind me and two bass traps in the corners of the room behind me as well.

Do you think this is sufficient? And if so, what cost am I looking at?

If not, what are your suggestions?

Thank you!
By MCL Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:50 pm
cheers for those measurements - what is the room height though?

I'm going to go on an average room height of 9 feet - but this is a bit of guess i suppose

given those dimensions your room is going to be resonant at these frequencies:

250Hz
434Hz
620Hz

These frequencies are the ones you want to tame - especially the 250 Hz range as this is very close to the frequency of the note B3 and your will suffer from 'one note bass' in that region - meaning this note will be over hyped and all other bass notes will sound very similar to this one - regardless of pitch.

You want to have bass trapping in all corners of the room - I know you have some in back - but trap the front corners as well - to aid with the bass response of the room.

Also apply broadband absorption to the mirror points of your listening position as well - ideally spaced away from the wall by a couple of inches to again aid with absorption.

Incidentally - if at all possible you want your gear set up along the smaller of the walls in your room (the 11ft one) - and you listening position should be %38 from this wall - about 5 feet into the room.

With all this taken into account - then start thinking about monitors. I know acoustic treatment isn't the most exciting of subjects - but good monitors in a poor room - will always sound shit - or average at best. If you do the above - I guarantee that your room will sound much better - and your M-audios will start to sound the way they were intended.

I would discourage rear ported bass reflex monitors - especially in a room your size - in order to get them sounding good - you would have to place them about 2 feet from the nearest wall to tackle the proximity effect, which is probably not practical, and I would suggest you place absorption behind these on the wall they face away from - this would place your listening position nearer the dead centre of the room - which is always a risky spot for a deep bass null in any room.

Also speakers with room adjustments built in are a good idea - and can certainly help make a room sound better - It is only really effective at deep frequencies however and doesn't go a long way to address mids and highs - I'd rather have a well treated room myself, but thats just me.

I would recommend a smaller monitor coupled with a decent woofer. This is what I use myself. My room is trapped and tuned with both bass trapping and broadband absorption at the rear, front and sides (although i have been thinking about placing a trap over my listening position - but not done that yet) - My room is about 20 feet by 13 and 13 high (can't remember the exact dimensions - I calculated, and treated it it a loong time ago.) My main speakers are 5 inch Genelecs coupled with a dedicated woofer. The room is tight and detailed. The use of the woofer allows the smaller monitors to better use their cones and drivers to reproduce only detailed mids - and not struggle with the low end - which is handled by the woofer.

So I would recommend looking into monitors that are front facing bass reflex - and better trap your room, bigger monitors doesn't always mean better sound - invariably it can mean adding more problems into the mix (literally). Also - try and listen to the monitors if you can before you buy. There is no substitute for hearing them in a good environment - any decent shop should have facilities to do this for you.

Anyway - good luck with it all - buying monitors is a pain in the ass!