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TheSound wrote:the mpc 60? word, drums come out slamming from that machine.... I love it, however it aint for everybody.


yeah check around the studio environments section at some threads because there are a lot of threads suggesting specific models for mixers. I will say this though, lets say you see one on craigslist that falls into the "possibility category" ... well throw the model name into google and check a few reviews and stuff like that. I suggest checking at least 2 or 3 links from the first page of results.... make sure it isn't a bad model.

then check ebay, and search craigslist in cities such as NYC or LA where there are millions of people to see if people are selling the same model so you can compare prices.... never be afraid to bargain down prices within reason. At 15 money is tough and if are that serious about getting your setup happening then every penny adds up to the next piece of gear you need for the rig... that **** never ends. you will always see something else that helps your rig.

Yeah im pretty serious about getting my setup going cause my setup now consists of an mpc 500, stanton mixer, technics quartz SL-Q202, Acid Pro and my records. Do you use the 60 or the 60ii?[/quote]

i have a 60ii, had the xl before and I would like another one eventually cause I love that machine too. my buddy has the 500 and is just learning how to use it... he didn't come up on the mpc side of the fence but since I pointed out a few "how to's" he is super into it.

i have a 60ii, had the xl before and I would like another one eventually cause I love that machine too. my buddy has the 500 and is just learning how to use it... he didn't come up on the mpc side of the fence but since I pointed out a few "how to's" he is super into it.[/quote]

Thats whats up. Im just thinking whether or not I should get the 2000xl or the 60.

TheSound wrote:i have a 60ii, had the xl before and I would like another one eventually cause I love that machine too. my buddy has the 500 and is just learning how to use it... he didn't come up on the mpc side of the fence but since I pointed out a few "how to's" he is super into it.

Thats whats up. Im just thinking whether or not I should get the 2000xl or the 60.[/quote]

the xl does way more then the 60... but I like the 60. Keep in mind the 60 really makes you work though because sample chopping and picking what samples to record really is vital with limited memory. you got a 500 so I think probably the 60 is better... but if you want to see the waveform on screen while chopping clips and you want better track mute (mute/solo) options then the XL has it similar to the 500 except on the xl it is better IMO then on the 500. the 60 doesn't have that, you have to jog/scroll to the track you want to mute or solo.

the xl does way more then the 60... but I like the 60. Keep in mind the 60 really makes you work though because sample chopping and picking what samples to record really is vital with limited memory. you got a 500 so I think probably the 60 is better... but if you want to see the waveform on screen while chopping clips and you want better track mute (mute/solo) options then the XL has it similar to the 500 except on the xl it is better IMO then on the 500. the 60 doesn't have that, you have to jog/scroll to the track you want to mute or solo.[/quote]

Yeah I dont really need the waveform editing since I've gotten pretty speedy chopping by ear but it would be a plus. So does the 60 not have the mute option or is it just harder to do?

TheSound wrote:the xl does way more then the 60... but I like the 60. Keep in mind the 60 really makes you work though because sample chopping and picking what samples to record really is vital with limited memory. you got a 500 so I think probably the 60 is better... but if you want to see the waveform on screen while chopping clips and you want better track mute (mute/solo) options then the XL has it similar to the 500 except on the xl it is better IMO then on the 500. the 60 doesn't have that, you have to jog/scroll to the track you want to mute or solo.

Yeah I dont really need the waveform editing since I've gotten pretty speedy chopping by ear but it would be a plus. So does the 60 not have the mute option or is it just harder to do?[/quote]


it has mutes... but like on the 500 you know when you go to the screen and you can mute and unmute tracks by tapping the pads? you have like 12 you can mute or unmute and there is the dotted line that the dots turn into "M"s when the track is muted?

well the 60 doesn't have that. on the main screen you have to turn the jog wheel to the track number and push a button to mute it and again to unmute it. so it's more of a one at a time thing. it aint a big deal if you plan ahead but some people heavily rely on that feature.

it has mutes... but like on the 500 you know when you go to the screen and you can mute and unmute tracks by tapping the pads? you have like 12 you can mute or unmute and there is the dotted line that the dots turn into "M"s when the track is muted?

well the 60 doesn't have that. on the main screen you have to turn the jog wheel to the track number and push a button to mute it and again to unmute it. so it's more of a one at a time thing. it aint a big deal if you plan ahead but some people heavily rely on that feature.[/quote]

Okayso I'm a little lost and I'm not sure if I have used that feature yet. But one question I have is does the 60 have the mono mute group thing where tapping one pad cancels out the noise of another pad?

TheSound wrote:it has mutes... but like on the 500 you know when you go to the screen and you can mute and unmute tracks by tapping the pads? you have like 12 you can mute or unmute and there is the dotted line that the dots turn into "M"s when the track is muted?

well the 60 doesn't have that. on the main screen you have to turn the jog wheel to the track number and push a button to mute it and again to unmute it. so it's more of a one at a time thing. it aint a big deal if you plan ahead but some people heavily rely on that feature.

Okayso I'm a little lost and I'm not sure if I have used that feature yet. But one question I have is does the 60 have the mono mute group thing where tapping one pad cancels out the noise of another pad?[/quote]

the feature is called track mutes... check it out on the 500... pushing pad 1 mutes track 1, pushing pad 1 again unmutes it. pad two does track 2... 3 does 3... etc. the 60 doesn't have that.

no the 60 does not have mute groups or pad mutes or any of that. that is why you have to precision cut your samples. I will say though, you dont have much ram so looping big long samples on each pad is not really gonna happen. One trick is though... lets say you have a 3.4 second sample you want to loop... well you can then record the exact sample again onto another pad and cut it shorter to lets say 1.7 seconds so that way it has the same effect.

Also another thing you can do but it is very limited is, you can assign a sample to open high hat and the sample you want to have doing the cut off to closed high hat. that works as a pad mute.

the feature is called track mutes... check it out on the 500... pushing pad 1 mutes track 1, pushing pad 1 again unmutes it. pad two does track 2... 3 does 3... etc. the 60 doesn't have that.

no the 60 does not have mute groups or pad mutes or any of that. that is why you have to precision cut your samples. I will say though, you dont have much ram so looping big long samples on each pad is not really gonna happen. One trick is though... lets say you have a 3.4 second sample you want to loop... well you can then record the exact sample again onto another pad and cut it shorter to lets say 1.7 seconds so that way it has the same effect.

Also another thing you can do but it is very limited is, you can assign a sample to open high hat and the sample you want to have doing the cut off to closed high hat. that works as a pad mute.[/quote]

Oh I know what your talking about but I havent messed with it but I will. And I think I'm going to have to go with the 2000xl cause i like having mute groups and the track mute can be useful. Thanks for the help.

TheSound wrote:the feature is called track mutes... check it out on the 500... pushing pad 1 mutes track 1, pushing pad 1 again unmutes it. pad two does track 2... 3 does 3... etc. the 60 doesn't have that.

no the 60 does not have mute groups or pad mutes or any of that. that is why you have to precision cut your samples. I will say though, you dont have much ram so looping big long samples on each pad is not really gonna happen. One trick is though... lets say you have a 3.4 second sample you want to loop... well you can then record the exact sample again onto another pad and cut it shorter to lets say 1.7 seconds so that way it has the same effect.

Also another thing you can do but it is very limited is, you can assign a sample to open high hat and the sample you want to have doing the cut off to closed high hat. that works as a pad mute.

Oh I know what your talking about but I havent messed with it but I will. And I think I'm going to have to go with the 2000xl cause i like having mute groups and the track mute can be useful. Thanks for the help.

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okay good choice.... the only advice I have for you is avoid screens with lines and/or missing pixels if you grab one of those. Dont even look at them if they have any of that cause once the first one happens the rest are coming quick and will leave you screwed with out a fix. Sure you hear rumours of people trying to make new screens and some times you can find good condition used screens for sale but that not something that is easy to fix and it is not something you can currently get when ever... plus it will be very expensive.

okay good choice.... the only advice I have for you is avoid screens with lines and/or missing pixels if you grab one of those. Dont even look at them if they have any of that cause once the first one happens the rest are coming quick and will leave you screwed with out a fix. Sure you hear rumours of people trying to make new screens and some times you can find good condition used screens for sale but that not something that is easy to fix and it is not something you can currently get when ever... plus it will be very expensive.[/quote]

Yeah I've been warned. The screens are expensive and if its already starting to go then i dont wanna have it just to watch it die. haha I think I'm going to be happy with the 2000xl

the xl does way more then the 60... but I like the 60. Keep in mind the 60 really makes you work though because sample chopping and picking what samples to record really is vital with limited memory. you got a 500 so I think probably the 60 is better... but if you want to see the waveform on screen while chopping clips and you want better track mute (mute/solo) options then the XL has it similar to the 500 except on the xl it is better IMO then on the 500. the 60 doesn't have that, you have to jog/scroll to the track you want to mute or solo.[/quote]

I love how you think of it as more work rather than limitations. Cause thats so true.

TheSound wrote:the xl does way more then the 60... but I like the 60. Keep in mind the 60 really makes you work though because sample chopping and picking what samples to record really is vital with limited memory. you got a 500 so I think probably the 60 is better... but if you want to see the waveform on screen while chopping clips and you want better track mute (mute/solo) options then the XL has it similar to the 500 except on the xl it is better IMO then on the 500. the 60 doesn't have that, you have to jog/scroll to the track you want to mute or solo.

I love how you think of it as more work rather than limitations. Cause thats so true.[/quote]

I dont look at it as a limitation cause you can still get that result except on the 60 you must cut the sample yourself instead of letting a second pad cut it off.... and you must be certain you wont change the bpm to a slower tempo or else you will wind up with a blank gap between the newly cut sample and the second pad. However there is a work around for that too... there always is. It just takes.... a little more work.

End result in the 60 sounds bad ass.

I cant choose a winner between those two models cause they both are super fun to use. The reason I like the mpc is cause it's simple. there aint a thing I want sitting next to my turn table and stacks of records more then an mpc. You record little bits and clips, make some cool stuff.... save the sounds, continue... when you got a few things ready to record onto the computer you connect the rig to the computer and do that. It's like, you could download premade acid loops online or you could just make your own.

I dont look at it as a limitation cause you can still get that result except on the 60 you must cut the sample yourself instead of letting a second pad cut it off.... and you must be certain you wont change the bpm to a slower tempo or else you will wind up with a blank gap between the newly cut sample and the second pad. However there is a work around for that too... there always is. It just takes.... a little more work.

End result in the 60 sounds bad ass.

I cant choose a winner between those two models cause they both are super fun to use. The reason I like the mpc is cause it's simple. there aint a thing I want sitting next to my turn table and stacks of records more then an mpc. You record little bits and clips, make some cool stuff.... save the sounds, continue... when you got a few things ready to record onto the computer you connect the rig to the computer and do that. It's like, you could download premade acid loops online or you could just make your own.[/quote]

Couldn't agree with you more man, digging and choppin up vinyl is my favorite part of making beats. I honestly am really considering the 60. I'm down for more work to get that sound but some part of me really wants the 2000xl.

go for it man, worse comes to worse you pick up the xl and in a year or two you pick up the 60!

mr_debauch wrote:go for it man, worse comes to worse you pick up the xl and in a year or two you pick up the 60!

Yeah I have a lot more years of producing to come. Thanks man