Maschine vs MPC 4000

I just wanted to say that once you've tasted "non-destructive chopping" as Askia would say. You'll never would want to go back. Its like you got a 10 second sample, and when you auto-chop it, it goes on all 16 pads as if 16 copies of that sample was made but with fixed start and end points. The greatest thing is that you can readjust those start and end points without affecting the points of the other pads and thats why its non-destructive. Most samplers just auto-chop phrases with a take it or leave it attitude making it impossible to adjust the points.

I know other samplers can do this but I can only speak on experience on machines I've tackled and the MV does this really fast and organized.

Blue Haze wrote: Askia

What a golem.

It's been a while since I've heard that term.

who cares???? mpc is dope, maschine is dope, reason 5 is my favorite, but who really cares. if a fat chick misses to wash under the same fat roll for over a week, what do you think it would smell like?? lol..

I'm not sure how we got into smelling some pigs week old flap cheese but nauseous now.


BOT- Maschine is coming up on a major update around the next NAMM if not sooner. I would wait until the update before rendering any final judgment on Maschine.

* Plugin hosting for VST/AU instruments and effects
* Increased number of effect slots (3 per Sound, 4 per Group, 4 on Master)
* New "Pad Link" function with 8 pad groups and Master/Slave option
* Individual swing setting per sound
* Clip naming
* Sample renaming
* Improved scene duplication
* External audio input/output increased to 16 stereo channels
* Improved Drag&Drop mapping for samples
* Improved Drag&Drop from OS for Maschine files and audio files
* Drag&Drop rearrangement of scenes and patterns
* Snap-to-grid when moving events via mouse
* VST plugin operation under Mac OS X 64bit
* Rex import under Mac OS X 64bit

To clarify: Prev. To and From isn't on the Fantom series or JJOS. Must be getting mixed up with some other feature.

IMO- the focus on slicing drums is a bit overrated. Once you you get outside of drums Autochop systems begin to become rather useless.

Ill-Green wrote:I just wanted to say that once you've tasted "non-destructive chopping" as Askia would say. You'll never would want to go back. Its like you got a 10 second sample, and when you auto-chop it, it goes on all 16 pads as if 16 copies of that sample was made but with fixed start and end points. The greatest thing is that you can readjust those start and end points without affecting the points of the other pads and thats why its non-destructive. Most samplers just auto-chop phrases with a take it or leave it attitude making it impossible to adjust the points.

I know other samplers can do this but I can only speak on experience on machines I've tackled and the MV does this really fast and organized.

Its pointless to explain this to the few dude here that just can't comprehend what we have had at a finger tips using the JJ OS.

@Blue Haze
The fact is..Kanye was influenced by the type of soul samples RZA uses to include changing the pitch for that "chipmunk sound." RZA style is/was simply looping obscure samples. Kanye uses a blend of Pete Rock and Premo chopping style. As identified in the video, he uses nondestructive chopping. Your attempt to turn this into a tutorial with videos we have all seen numerous times is pathetic.

As far as auto chop, you are taking my phrase out of the context of the discussion as you always doing making yourself look like a clown in the process. "Autochop" as I have wrote numerous times, has been an essential editing tool in samplers as far back as 1999. Maschine has it..MPCs have it. If they both have it...it is not a debate. If all samplers have it..it is not a debate. What are you talking about then? Exactly...you just ran out of things to say on this topic. The truth is...you have been jealous of me for years. Mad because I can afford all the new gear that is released...every product I have ever purchased and discussed in the forums..you have hated on (see MPC 2500 and 5000 threads) because they are more fun to use than your MPC 4000. When Maschine was released, you finally jumped on the bandwagon of new gear and hyped it up so much even more than you did with the MPC 4000. Then got your panties in a bunch when I gave my input about what Maschine does or doesn't do well. Shortly afterwards, you started claiming that you went back to using your MPC 4000..when the truth is..you never really used Maschine at great lengths....nor have you used the MPC 2500/1000, MV-8800, or ASR 10. So your input on these Maschines are not worth reading.....

Now that I got that out of the way...what about Maschine versus an MPC now that OS 1.6 is on the way? This is a comparison thread so any lame techniques that you will use as a work-around for a function that isn't there is not relevant.

Askia Shaheed wrote: The truth is...you have been jealous of me for years. Mad because I can afford all the new gear that is released...every product I have ever purchased and discussed in the forums..you have hated on (see MPC 2500 and 5000 threads) because they are more fun to use than your MPC 4000. When Maschine was released, you finally jumped on the bandwagon of new gear and hyped it up so much even more than you did with the MPC 4000. Then got your panties in a bunch when I gave my input about what Maschine does or doesn't do well. Shortly afterwards, you started claiming that you went back to using your MPC 4000..when the truth is..you never really used Maschine at great lengths....nor have you used the MPC 2500/1000, MV-8800, or ASR 10. So your input on these Maschines are not worth reading.....

This is some Dr. Doom-evil-plan sh!t right here

jk, but you two are like North Star and South Cross right now

How do we go from Maschine and MPC 4000 to "you've always been jealous of me".

Take that shit to Ricki Lake, ****.

Jah aka Askia is a forked tongue deceiver, a low down snake oil salesman and used underwear collector of the worst kind.

How can I be afraid of a golem who I beat in a beat battle twice once by decision and once by default cause the coward ran away. I'm all about workflow and ease to each person particular style. I studied the pioneers, reverse engineer new technology, and have always strive for understanding of the reasoning for the techniques that djs discovered creating hip hop, house, electronics, and most major dance music.

It is obvious it is the man picking the best tool for him golem. The machine can't make a beat for ya. No matter how much you collect if you can't make a beat you or just useless in a beat makers forum. You can have a specfeat all day but if a cat can bang out a beat with the simplest tools and you come with Zelda beat on some downloaded midi file to showcase your piano patch you are a clown. A real joke Autochop can't make a beat for ya, 5k can't make it for ya, machine or a new OS not since you a too shook cuz you believe that you need yada, yada to make it for ya lameness.


Anyway back to the thread all should get a hands on demo of the unit, check the videos of users at work who style you like ( sample based or keyboardy). Study your current setup and think of the central piece of your studio and any other gear you have or need in the future and go from there. GAS can problem but after several changeups KISS is the best solution and mastery of the CRAFT and gear is essential. I make sample based beats, electronica, deep house, and whatever I'm feeling at the moment. Earlier in this yr I moved almost entirely into a software studio setup saved my mpc. My purchase was to complete that. Now I swung back to more of hardware cuz I missed despite my extensive controllers hand on feel of hardware gear. Maschine is good and I listened and watch fellow producers make great beats with it. I made beats with it too. But the center of my studio is still ny mpc as choice, feel, understanding and my own personal workflow. I'm much faster working on machine through I don't mind the familiarity and the program matrix I have on 4k. True Im not dependent on slicing all in the machine for timeslicing a loop as I have extensive software tools that are better. Plus I learn to relay on cutting my records on the turntable for the phrases I want. Maschine or the 4k is up to the individual both are fine it depends on the skills of the person.

Bang on.



Go make a beat son the challenge is put forth to you for a sample based beat as I'm not dependant on half the noise you cry about again I will use maschine this time vs you on your 5k. It is all about understanding your tool chicken or you gonna run away again?

Anyone with any brains can read this thread and see my failed attempts to keep Blue Haze on topic in this comparison thread about Maschine and an MPC.

Now that we are back to the topic of the thread, this is a new feature request sent to NI regarding Maschine. Note that modern MPCs can do many of these functions:

Complete Sample Mode Feature Requests:
Record:
1. ADD "INPUT EFFECT SWITCH." Description: From hardware, allow users to quickly insert Maschine's effects/filters or a 3rd party VST effect into the signal path of incoming audio when sampling. (See MPC 1000, Fantom G, Motif XF, etc).
2. ADD "INPUT PITCH SHIFT." Description: From hardware, allow users to change the pitch and/or tempo of an incoming audio signal prior to/during sampling. (See MPC 1000/2500 JJ OSXL).
3. ADD "VINTAGE." Description: From the hardware, allow users to quickly insert Maschine's Vintage Mode into the signal path of incoming audio to be sampled.

Edit:
1. ADD "Rename." Description: Allow users to quickly name/rename a sound from the hardware (See most modern samplers).
2. ADD "PLAY MARKER." Description: A “scrolling playmarker” will give users a visual marker to indicate what part of a sample is playing. (See MV-8000, Fantom G, MPC 1000/2500 JJ OS, or any DAW).
3. ADD "PITCH SHIFT, TIMESTRETCH, BIT DEPTH/SAMPLE RATE CONVERT, LOOP OPTIMIZE, etc." Description: Give users all the typical sample editing tools found in leading samplers in a single location. (See most modern samplers)
4. ADD “TIMELINE.” Description: Add sample TIMELINE to the hardware’s LCD as displayed in the software.

Slice:
1. MODIFY "SLICES" Description: Allow the user to freely select the number of slices from 1 to 128. Currently in MODE: SPLIT, users can only select slices in increments of 4, 8, 16, or 32. (See MPC 1000/2500 JJ OS)
2. MODIFY "SELECTION SLICE." Description: Allow users to select a slice from external MIDI device for further editing. Currently, SELECTION: SLICE is only possible from a corresponding pad. Users can only play slices from an external MIDI device but cannot use an external controller to select a slice to edit. (See MPC 5000)
3. MODIFY “SLICE START/END.” Description: Allow users to adjust the START/END of a slice without impacting the adjacent slices. This is nondestructive chopping which saves memory since you are still referencing a single sample. (See ASR-10, MPC 1000/2500 JJ OS)
4. MODIFY “ADD SLICES.” Description: From the hardware, allow users to easily select a specific position to ADD a slice. The best way to accomplish this is to allow users to ADD/DELETE “SLICE MARKERS” using a scrolling cursor (or PLAY MARKER). (See MV-8800, Fantom G)

*Note - Those of you that have not contributed anything to the advancement of MPCs (1000/2500/5000), MV-8000/8800, or Maschine...shhhhhh But there is nothing wrong with enjoying the fruits of our labor...I guess.

Askia Shaheed wrote:Anyone with any brains can read this thread and see my failed attempts to keep Blue Haze on topic in this comparison thread about Maschine and an MPC.

Now that we are back to the topic of the thread, this is a new feature request sent to NI regarding Maschine. Note that modern MPCs can do many of these functions:

Complete Sample Mode Feature Requests:
Record:
1. ADD "INPUT EFFECT SWITCH." Description: From hardware, allow users to quickly insert Maschine's effects/filters or a 3rd party VST effect into the signal path of incoming audio when sampling. (See MPC 1000, Fantom G, Motif XF, etc).
2. ADD "INPUT PITCH SHIFT." Description: From hardware, allow users to change the pitch and/or tempo of an incoming audio signal prior to/during sampling. (See MPC 1000/2500 JJ OSXL).
3. ADD "VINTAGE." Description: From the hardware, allow users to quickly insert Maschine's Vintage Mode into the signal path of incoming audio to be sampled.

Edit:
1. ADD "Rename." Description: Allow users to quickly name/rename a sound from the hardware (See most modern samplers).
2. ADD "PLAY MARKER." Description: A “scrolling playmarker” will give users a visual marker to indicate what part of a sample is playing. (See MV-8000, Fantom G, MPC 1000/2500 JJ OS, or any DAW).
3. ADD "PITCH SHIFT, TIMESTRETCH, BIT DEPTH/SAMPLE RATE CONVERT, LOOP OPTIMIZE, etc." Description: Give users all the typical sample editing tools found in leading samplers in a single location. (See most modern samplers)
4. ADD “TIMELINE.” Description: Add sample TIMELINE to the hardware’s LCD as displayed in the software.

Slice:
1. MODIFY "SLICES" Description: Allow the user to freely select the number of slices from 1 to 128. Currently in MODE: SPLIT, users can only select slices in increments of 4, 8, 16, or 32. (See MPC 1000/2500 JJ OS)
2. MODIFY "SELECTION SLICE." Description: Allow users to select a slice from external MIDI device for further editing. Currently, SELECTION: SLICE is only possible from a corresponding pad. Users can only play slices from an external MIDI device but cannot use an external controller to select a slice to edit. (See MPC 5000)
3. MODIFY “SLICE START/END.” Description: Allow users to adjust the START/END of a slice without impacting the adjacent slices. This is nondestructive chopping which saves memory since you are still referencing a single sample. (See ASR-10, MPC 1000/2500 JJ OS)
4. MODIFY “ADD SLICES.” Description: From the hardware, allow users to easily select a specific position to ADD a slice. The best way to accomplish this is to allow users to ADD/DELETE “SLICE MARKERS” using a scrolling cursor (or PLAY MARKER). (See MV-8800, Fantom G)

Running again all of that aint going to help you make a beat son. You are a joke!!

Blue Haze wrote:
Running again all of that aint going to help you make a beat son. You are a joke!!

Tell em why you mad son..tell em why you mad

Additional Maschine user requests:
1. MPC 5000's cycle play of multiple samples assigned to a pad
2. More enevlopes/LFOs w/ more assignable options
3. Arp/Chords function
4. Full MIDI implementation: MSB/LSB, Bank select, CC assignments, etc
5. Mixer

Maschine Feature request thread for actual users of Maschine: http://www.native-instruments.com/forum ... hp?t=86741

Notice a few of them can be accomplished using an MPC.

thread hijacked and spoiled. This juvenile spec chucking is tired.

moyphee wrote:thread hijacked and spoiled. This juvenile spec chucking is tired.

It was always suppose to be a comparison thread between Maschine and the MPC. If you are not talking about specs and what each model can do...then there is no need for a comparison thread. Tips, tricks, and work-arounds are in another section of the forum. Beat Battles and Call-outs are also in their respective threads in specific sections of these forums.