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By mp3 Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:34 am
tyrone_biggums wrote:
starcrusher wrote:i do it by sampling my playing the synth into the machine .. probably the dumbest / hardest way to do it but it's just kind of how i learned ..


Haha lol...that's gotta be so hard, how do u play to ur bpm like that!


Hop out the box homie. What's the difference between me sampling herbie hancock playing some keys and me sampling me playing some keys? (Well besides the fact that he's 10x the player that I am, etc...)

I don't use a metronome. That's what chopping is for. You can't hop in a timewarp and make chick corea play to a metronome. There are so many ways to approach it (for example, sample chords and use the MPC to put a chord progression together, etc.), but first you have to be able to understand that the traditional way to do it is just one way to do it.
By tyrone_biggums Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:24 pm
^^

no difference...i just figured thats by far the hardest way. but then again u could just chop up the notes u record and then replay them inside the box so...

i guess theres really endless ways to incorporate different instruments/synths/samplers with the mpc...
By pcise77 Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:20 pm
use a master midi keyboard connect the midi out of the keyboard to the midi in of the mpc. then the midi out of the mpc to a sound mod or other midi inst. in the seq sec of the mpc in the track field change drum to midi then adj to the midi ch of the device your transmitting to plus output A or B on the mpc. so if your sound mod is set to recive on midi ch 3 and the midi cord is mpc out A to sound mod in then the track sould be set to MIDI 3A. use this method to filter all midi chs per track. you can also use the pgm change to select presets on the reciveing device. any more midi questions hit me off.


mpcs ive rocked im all well except the 4000 and 5000

sp1200
s5000
s950
korg dss1
emax
sequential 2000
sp 12 turbo
ars 10
mirage
roland s10
emu esi 32
s 2000
mpc 60
mpc 60II
mpc 3000
mpc 2000
mpc 1000
had em all at one point in time. thats just the samplers. since this is a sampling forum.
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By mp3 Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:26 am
tyrone_biggums wrote:^^

no difference...i just figured thats by far the hardest way. but then again u could just chop up the notes u record and then replay them inside the box so...


I guess what I'm trying to say is that its not really a different way of doing the same thing. Well technically speaking, it is. But artistically and creatively, its a whole different thing.

In other words, when you record MIDI notes, your intent is to lay down a part, in time, to the beat, already quantized etc. You have your final destination in mind. If that's your intent then MIDI is the best way.

When you play freeform and sample yourself, your intent is to get happy accidents, and a lot of times you can end up with something totally different from what you intended or thought you would. Something that you probably would have never thought of playing from the keyboard in the first place.

Either way, the two methods don't give the same results so they are not the same thing. The trick that works for me is to chop it into 'phrases' (groups of notes) and then resequence those phrases from the pads. Chopping single notes never worked well for me (no matter whether its a herbie hancock sample, a chick corea sample or a 'me' sample). But when I chop into phrases, that's when the magic happens.

Another example, what's the difference between chopping and slicing? One is freeform, the other one has built in assumptions and limitations. With slicing, you assume that the next slice begins where the previous one ends, you assume that you only want one drum/note/sound in each slice, you assume that you want the slice to start at the beginning of that single drum/note/sound, you assume that you're working with a whole bar or two bars (or some multiple thereof) of music, etc. With chopping, all that goes out the window. Its freeform, you just do what feels/sounds right.

When you sample yourself playing, you are starting with an idea, a seed, and letting it take you where it wants to go. If that's not your thing then ok, but you can't dismiss it as just 'a harder way to do the same thing'.

A similar technique is to create a sequence on your keyboard and lay all your keyboard parts down. put a lil mix on it, get it sounding right, then sample it into your MPC. Chop and resequence, and there you go. Here's a good illustration of that technique:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1pxY6Nh ... re=related

But forreal, I don't know why I just wasted 10 minutes of my life typing that...
Last edited by mp3 on Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:31 am, edited 1 time in total.
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By dabmeister Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:39 am
tyrone_biggums wrote:yo what up mpc forums..

i was just wondering how all u guys who use synths with ur mpc's use the two together. i figure theres prolly 3 legit ways to do this...

3. track out ur beat to pro tools (or any other daw for that matter) and then sync up your synth with pro tools and record your synth sounds that way (over ur tracked out beat).


This is how I work it as of this day. I wouldn't have it any other way. 8)
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By mp3 Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:41 am
tyrone_biggums wrote:^^

haha lol...ur always mad helpful though, props man...its much appreciated that u "wasted 10 minutes"...lol


no doubt my dude. i guess I do get something out of it... But anyway, I got some beats to finish tonight... peace.
By fathertime Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:33 am
I think people dont even know the mpc is a midi sequencer, or what that even is. Thats not a slag on the op or any of the posters here, just that the mpc is a midi sequencer first and foremost.
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By starcrusher Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:00 am
yeah .. it's called a midi production center, not music production center haha. there's so many capabilities of this machine, it's embarrassing but i've just always been confused by the deeper utilities of midi. so i keep it dumb simple and just sample everything, but i'll learn that shit one day and open up a whole new world :lol:
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By nogginj Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:28 pm
Didn't the nukai brand of MPC's become 'MUSIC' production centers?

They also stripped (albeit very little) MIDI functionality from even the higher-end models like the 2500.

The MPC was designed for MIDI, and that is where it totally shines. However, it's those 'happy accidents' that has made it such a popular sampler.