How you make beat?

Hi!
I have one but really hard question for me.
Suppose that we are making beat,eberything is all right.
But how you know that this beat is good to lenght of lyrics(when you want to sell or give someone this beat)?
And almost everyone producer change beat in refrain, when you now that in this moment you should change sound?
Assuming that you have only make beat,not written text?

Thanks in advance,Greets(sorry for my language mistakes)

Copy the structure of your favourite songs and take note of how many bars each section has for future reference.

Learn the basic 'rules' then progressively try to bend and break them as you get better at arranging.

I would gather that if you have a good relation with your artist, they can give you input on what to alter to their liking. My beats are not made for people to rap on however I do put a change in there about every 16 bars to give the listener a break normally.

there are no rules to song structure, but first you should learn what the purpose of song structure is...

a generic structure would looks something like this....

4 bar intro
4 bar chorus
16 bar verse
4 bar chorus
16 bar verse
4 bar chorus
4/8 bar bridge (optional)
16 bar verse
4 bar chorus
4 bar outro

pawel13 wrote:But how you know that this beat is good to lenght of lyrics(when you want to sell or give someone this beat)?
And almost everyone producer change beat in refrain, when you now that in this moment you should change sound?
Assuming that you have only make beat,not written text?

Im not sure what type of music you are making but as a ballpark length would be between 3-5 minutes at the appropriate tempo.

If you think a track sounds goods, great. But if there is an element of the track that just doesn't work change the sound or take it out altogether.

Leave few days before you do the first mix to give your ears a rest, sometimes you'll come back to a track and not like it as much as you did days earlier. If it helps, work on several tracks at a time to avoid 'hitting the wall' (creative block).

If possible get someone else to mix your tracks, they will have fresh ears and be objective in the task.

Kurt Cobain didnt like Verse Chorus Verse and many bands like Sonic Youth didnt adhere to that bollocks in their independent days.

IN my opinion for hip hop in general all you need is to ensure you have at least 2 well defined 16 bar verse sections and the rest you can do as you please as long as you stay in between 3-4:00 mins. Unless you are working directly with the artist it's up to them to conform to your structure. One thing i like to do is use acapellas when im constructing a track. It helps me keep focus on a defined structure and gives me an idea of where good drops/part mutes fit in. Or just pick a structure in your head and go with it

Basic things you need would be

4-12 bar intro

1-3, 16 bar verses, could also do 20/24 bars (I ll only do +16 bars once or if I'm expecting more than one vocalist on the verse section) or you could do an 8 bar verse later in the track or anywhere even,

2 to 4, 4-8 bar hooks,

and everything else is supplemental

Another way is if you have a really dope 8-16 bar sequence, Just do a short intro, accents/drops every 4-8 bars, a fill at/or before 16 to go into 8 bar chorus, and repeat as necessary end with 16/+ bar chorus

if you have anything less than an 8 bar intro then that means you don't want djs mixing your music

You either make beat for lyric, or lyric for beat. Or make beat with "standardized" bars and be willing to adjust upon purchase.

you can make a whole track 1 sequence if you want...no one is ordering you to have a set limit on how many verses you have or not. there are general layouts of a track, which has already been posted. but you can make strictly instrumental music that has no boundaries. its all about what the track will be used for. make your track for yourself or an MC your working with.

Since I do my own work I don't rely those song formulas. Either I make the beat and lay the vocals last or write the lyrics and make the beat for it but the beat don't always compromise with the lyrics so something is born spontaneously. Usually my stuff looks like this :

Intro - 6 bars
Verse - 14 bars
chorus - 8 bars
Verse 2 - 16 bars
chorus - 4 bars
Bridge - 2 bars
Verse 3 - 12 bars
chorus - 6 bars
Outro - 5 bars

But rappers usually like 16 bar beats to rap over, but get to know your rapper and ask how many bars he/she wrote, that would be more easier.

i dont know. seems like all my favorite beats or songs never change anything up. straight 2 or 4 bar loops riding the whole friggin song.....sometimes even 1 bar loops. the change ups are in the lyrics

like all dj premier beats (he does scratch ontop for chorus' but thats more like part of the lyric imo)

what those kind of beats do have are good tension and release or call and response, balance or whatever you call it, they seem to go somewhere and loop back around so you never feel like its repetetive - they actually are repetative, but they are loops with beginning and end that make you want to keep it going.

then the lyrics ontop add enough variety and change ups that compliment the beat and your ears dont get sick of the beat.

boom bap i guess.


another thing you can do is build change ups into the loop, like a pattern....so you dont do verse - chorus - verse - chorus............you do one loop with break down every few bars. so its like 2 bar loop repeated 3 times, then 2 bars of change ups, then you repeat that 8 bar set 4 times (works with differant bar lengths) like a,a,a,b,a,a,a,b,a,a,a,b,a,a,a,b

bicedidit wrote:there are no rules to song structure, but first you should learn what the purpose of song structure is...

a generic structure would looks something like this....

4 bar intro
4 bar chorus
16 bar verse
4 bar chorus
16 bar verse
4 bar chorus
4/8 bar bridge (optional)
16 bar verse
4 bar chorus
4 bar outro

sounds about right

Ill-Green wrote:Since I do my own work I don't rely those song formulas. Either I make the beat and lay the vocals last or write the lyrics and make the beat for it but the beat don't always compromise with the lyrics so something is born spontaneously. Usually my stuff looks like this :

Intro - 6 bars
Verse - 14 bars
chorus - 8 bars
Verse 2 - 16 bars
chorus - 4 bars
Bridge - 2 bars
Verse 3 - 12 bars
chorus - 6 bars
Outro - 5 bars

But rappers usually like 16 bar beats to rap over, but get to know your rapper and ask how many bars he/she wrote, that would be more easier.

no man I don't think it would sound right.. when 16 ends it feels like there has to come something else.. after 14 lines or so .. wtf.. its just weird.. no offense by the way:)

Edit: maybe it sounds cool !! but i just don't understand it I suppose

@Cyrus: speaking the TRUTH!! Same with my favourite musik. Gotta love a good hypnotic loop.
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still, with changeups:
I kinda figured out that it allways comes down to the number 4. you have a 4/4 beat.
People expect chang up's after some count of 4. either it's after the fourth bar or the second 4th( meaning the 8th), or the 4th 4th(16thbar) .
If you get what I mean

Think of ur man in the above post.. what did he say? change ups after Odd numbers are weird, so:
if you really want to irritate the **** out of ur MC, make change ups after random numbers of bars, like 5, or 13.
Because even if they're not counting the bars they're subliminaly expecting everything to come down to 4. since they're rockin a 4/4. Don't know why this is.
But if you have a chang up after 4 or 8 or 16 bars, it just seams to make sence.