any place to hear the difference between 12 and 16 bits sam

Hi all
I am back in the beat making after years of break. and I read a lot of info about 12vs 16 sample. Is there any place where I can find example of this or anyone can send me an example of this.

best regards

Krisnz
France

IMO the bitdepth is overrated. There is not much difference in 12bit or 16bit. Its more about samplerate, antialiasing filter, HOW the A/D and D/A converter work and the pitch algorhithm of the machine.
A 12bit sampler can sound really clean. A 16bit sampler can sound very dirty. It depends.


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12 bit is overrated yes indeedy

where does that guy banging machine video is from lol?? i want to see the whole video

it's not just the 12-bit, it the characteristic of the machine too that makes up the sound.

SP-1200 12-bit
MPC 60 12-bit
Ensoniq EPS 12-bit

and they all have a different sound. plus what mixing boards you run them thru and recording medium (tape, 4-track, hard disk recorders, DAW's (Pro Tools, Logic, Cubase) all play a part in the end sound.

look up producers that used these machines (Easy Mo Bee, older Ski Beatz, DJ Premiere, Old Tribe Called Quest, Black Moon and plenty of othres)

compare their beats to producers using 16-bit samplers (MPC 3000, MPC 2000XL, etc...)

a good example would be listen to early Pete Rock beats when he used and SP-1200, then listen to his newer beats that he's doing on an MPC 2000XL. also check out early DJ Muggs beats that he did on the SP-1200 and newer beats he is doing on the MPC 3000.

you can hear the difference for yourself.

numanmpc wrote:where does that guy banging machine video is from lol?? i want to see the whole video

it looks like Joe Hahn of Linkin Park, but Im not sure.

Ronin wrote:

numanmpc wrote:where does that guy banging machine video is from lol?? i want to see the whole video

it looks like Joe Hahn of Linkin Park, but Im not sure.

yeah its from the video for in the end

yea, i always thought it was him when i see ur avi. he's rocking out.........to an unplugged MPC but lmao hay! we get what he's saying project there.

with the 2500( at least my OS, not sure bout others), you can change the bit rate. Dosn't make that much of a difrence really.. just a bit... or 4 actually

nod records wrote:it's not just the 12-bit, it the characteristic of the machine too that makes up the sound.

This.
On the Akai S950, I've found that it's also about splicing one sample on top of itself to get more volume (including distortion), stretching the sample to get more crunchiness and/or ringing, sampling at various different sample rates till you get the right sound, the filters (8 of em! one on each voice) and the VCF, pitch algorithm, the sound of the D/A and A/D, and generally messing about with the sample in the S950.

I've found that lower bit-rate samples tend to cut through a mix easier... dunno why... maybe because they are less complex.

Isn't it nice you have options? Anyone remember when the Casio RZ1 was state of the art?

the difference is not that huge on drums on other sounds u end up with less high end.


alot the the 12 bit magic is a combination of the a/d and d/a's plus the sound engine of different units in them days

jpeg wrote:the difference is not that huge on drums on other sounds u end up with less high end.


alot the the 12 bit magic is a combination of the a/d and d/a's plus the sound engine of different units in them days

How can a value that specify the depth/steps of the amplitude (how low can a signal be to be recognized) effect the frequency?
You talk about samplerate OP talks about bitdepth.

peace