How obsessed are you...

With finding records that nobody/not many people have/have listened to? Rare is a term I feel is thrown around too much. I hate the word 'rare'. So **** geeky. So many people say they look for rare records, but what the **** defines a rare record anyway? Is it rare because YOU don't see it often or is it rare because everyone tells you it's rare and you can't find it on ebay or on Gemm? Is anything rare these days or just expensive?

Some guys I know are like this. They have to find rare records that noone has heard before to make beats. They have fat pockets so they can aquire that sort of shit. If one well known producer has used the sample then they'll feel like a failure, dump the sample and start a new beat.

Is being obsessed with finding rare shit sometimes an excuse for a lack of skills?

Everytime I say rare I have images of comic book guy in my head...

My pockets ain't fat so I'm 99,9% eurobin (or less) digger. For sure I search for stuff that noone used or heard before. But I also look for well known records. Just great music.
To me a rare record could be a record from an unknown artist. And by unknown I'm talking bout artists that never made it in the biz but had a record pressing of some 100 or less. Even google dont know their names. Than it is rare
I could also call something like Bob James - One rare cause I never saw it in the eurobins on fleamarket or thriftshops here in germany but I dont use this term (probably cause I dont talk english beside some forums ).
I'm very obsessed with records, finding good stuff that I dont know to listen to or finding just another coverversion of a song with a drumbreak. sometimes its a bit frustrating comming home from diggin, knowing that I already have too many records and I probably won't listen to every single one or sample every drumbreak. But the next time I'm out there..........

peace

Well said.

i think for me, its about finding sounds that are ill and at the same time, inspire me to put the work into chopping and making it my own - regardless if its rare or not, been done or not.

no doubt, digging hard and finding rare shit is my obsession. but if i find a sound i really really like, i dont give a **** who used it im gonna use it in my own way-that aint always easy to do. sometimes you hear a loop and get all exicted but then realize xxx has used it-admittedly it does make you feel like you should pass on it.......but thats being lazy if you just wanted to loop it. if its a good sample, and you really like it, you can chop it up and use those sounds in your own way, even if it was good as a loop.

sometimes its all about the loop, cant deny that. but if all you dig for are loops, youll be passin on a lot of good shit. if you pass on every loop thats been used, youll pass on alot of good shit.

because of that, i tend to take the mentality that everything has already been used and i need to find the sounds that are "me" and inspire "me". if i can do that, then im half way there to making an original banger.

i'm not obsessed with records nobody knows about, i mostly just use shit nobody gives a **** about

First and foremost, I'm a music lover.
If it sounds good, regardless if it's on wax or not, I'll buy it for "my" music collection.

starcrusher wrote:i'm not obsessed with records nobody knows about, i mostly just use shit nobody gives a **** about

First of all - a "rare" record is rare because it was pressed in limited quantities.

Under 500 copies, only two known copies in existence, or if most of the original copies were destroyed or whatever
the case may be - it's rare if not many copies exist.

Secondly, I agree that the term "rare" gets thrown around and used way to often, sometimes just to get more money
when people are trying to sell records. That sh*t is lame. Thriller is not rare.

Thirdly, just because a record is rare, that doesn't mean it's better than a common record. Some of the best music is on lp's that are fairly common. Rare just means it's not around.

Fourthly, some of the rarest records I own I have found in the dollar bins. Sometimes when you take chances on stuff, it works out! Experience digging and knowing labels, artists, covers, etc. also helps to find the raers. You don't always have to spend big bucks for the rare, you just have to put in some work.

Fifthly, if you are in the record game for a minute, you get to know, own, find A LOT of the common records, so you look for stuff that others aren't up on. Sometimes you can find it if you dig hard enough, but sometimes you will have to pay some cash to cop the raer, especially if the record you are after wasn't released in you part of the globe. This isn't necessary for the weekend beatmaker who wants to find ill samples, but if you are serious in the record game, you are coming from more of a collector angle at this point, and will cough up the dough. It kinda is like the comic book dude in someways, but comic book dude is deep in his game, so don't hate!!! lol

Bottom line, rare records don't make dope beats, you could flip anything and make it sound dope.
But if you consider yourself a dude who digs deep, eventually (maybe in a few years) you will be seeking out that raer. Teddy Pendergrass records and cti lp's only take yo so far...

Jimi Hendrix & Isley brothers record= RARE.....
any1 have that 1

peterpiper wrote:My pockets ain't fat so I'm 99,9% eurobin (or less) digger. For sure I search for stuff that noone used or heard before. But I also look for well known records. Just great music.
To me a rare record could be a record from an unknown artist. And by unknown I'm talking bout artists that never made it in the biz but had a record pressing of some 100 or less. Even google dont know their names. Than it is rare
I could also call something like Bob James - One rare cause I never saw it in the eurobins on fleamarket or thriftshops here in germany but I dont use this term (probably cause I dont talk english beside some forums ).
I'm very obsessed with records, finding good stuff that I dont know to listen to or finding just another coverversion of a song with a drumbreak. sometimes its a bit frustrating comming home from diggin, knowing that I already have too many records and I probably won't listen to every single one or sample every drumbreak. But the next time I'm out there..........

peace

I dig this

I'm just above the minimum wage here and I got a thing for unknown records with bands that look dead broke. I don't care what language or customs they're into, if it fits the genre and year I dig for, then I cop it. I'll eat tuna fish sandwiches for a month just to save up for record. So yes I'm obsessed with finding rare and unheard sh!t, last year I maxed out my credit card for buying mad records overseas, LOL! my girl was bugging the **** out. Most of it is not for sampling though, just music to listen to when I'm in my head.

But I have to tell you, at one time I was a virgin to the digging game. I was clueless on what to cop, all I knew was that People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm used jazz and funk records and THAT was the album that inspired me to make beats. So I bought mad jazz records and a little bit of funk, because those were flying off the shelves at the time, and listened, read about those records and made a path from there. Later on I got tired of jazz records and realized its time to find my own soul instead of playing off everybody else's because I was into jazz because of Q-Tip. Digging expanded my world of music, I didn't ignore the other genres in the record shop anymore, I took alot of chances and in the beginning it was money lost but as you dig harder you get smarter and now every record is a dollar well spent.

Today, my collection consists only of holy grails and dope vibes. Records from third world and communist countries are gold if you find them and are quite rare, but the ones with great music on them are like finding the Ark of God.

jnorth wrote:Is it rare because YOU don't see it often or is it rare because everyone tells you it's rare and you can't find it on ebay or on Gemm? Is anything rare these days or just expensive?

a record is rare if there isn't many copies of it due to limited edition pressings
turkish 70s funk records are rare because that particular country run out of oil in that period so they don't have enough raw material (vinyl) to press records.
i don't care if a record is rare or not
i buy a lot of different records of various genres
peace

I'd rather flip a song that people know, then to spend $$$ on something no one knows about. When people can hear what you did, it sounds impressive. Not to hate on Madlib (he is one of my favorite producers) but I've been totally blown away by some of his work, only to find out that he really did nothing but loop a rare song up. Most of us were clueless because he was flying all over the world loopin' up joints that we've never heard before. When you've got the money, you can do this. For me, the dollar bins is where its happenin'. Lately, the blogspots is where it's really happenin'! Rare, and FREE!

roxstar wrote:I'd rather flip a song that people know, then to spend $$$ on something no one knows about. When people can hear what you did, it sounds impressive. Not to hate on Madlib (he is one of my favorite producers) but I've been totally blown away by some of his work, only to find out that he really did nothing but loop a rare song up. Most of us were clueless because he was flying all over the world loopin' up joints that we've never heard before. When you've got the money, you can do this. For me, the dollar bins is where its happenin'. Lately, the blogspots is where it's really happenin'! Rare, and FREE!

just like most of the hip-hop-heros did on the classic hiphop tunes. I would call it something like "old style" or "searchin-for-the-perfect-beat-style". When you chop you have to put work in chopping and practise it. When you loop you need to be patient, have deep knowledge in music history and dont be afraid of dirt and mold. Both types have the right to exist and both types need passion.

peace

there's a category in vinyl shop who is called rare funk maybe it's what you're searchin' about

mr.pleasant wrote:Jimi Hendrix & Isley brothers record= RARE.....
any1 have that 1

Fail! Not hard to find.
http://www.discogs.com/sell/list?master_id=115503&ev=mb


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