CHEAP replacement stylus for Shure 44-7's

Found out about these on the Serato forum . They are generic but people are swearing by 'em for use w/ Serato control records (not so much w/ vinyl though) .

http://www.matelectronics.com/cgi-bin/s ... 44#aN_2d44

Here's the discussion : http://serato.com/forum/discussion/91524

Either way I know there's a lot of DJ's on here so I'm just spreading the word . I copped 10 for $75 w/ shipping and that's about what you'll pay for 2 from Shure .

nice, I'd be all over this if they work just as good with regular vinyl

For what it's worth, the M44-G stylus is a direct replacement for the 447s, with actually much more accurate sound reproduction.

They work great for playing vinyl, and sound very good. Not as good for live use as the 447s, in my experience, but excellent for playback or archiving.

$24 is not too bad and they play regular records very well.
http://www.amazon.com/Shure-N44G-Stylus ... B0002BG14G

Edit: Having looked over all that, I don't read much talking about how the cheapies sound on regular records...maybe they are fine

perhaps someone could do a sound comparison

Is there really a difference when using different needles with time coded records? I'm not trying to be a smart ass but I really want to know.

For DJing real vinyl, i use Ortofon's. For sampling, I use Pickering needles and the thick rubber 1200 mat for better clarity.

nogginj wrote:For what it's worth, the M44-G stylus is a direct replacement for the 447s, with actually much more accurate sound reproduction.

They work great for playing vinyl, and sound very good. Not as good for live use as the 447s, in my experience, but excellent for playback or archiving.

$24 is not too bad and they play regular records very well.
http://www.amazon.com/Shure-N44G-Stylus ... B0002BG14G

I've had bad results with the L-R balance on the G stylus, both with the 44G carts and the 447 carts. Out of 4 G carts and 6 styli, I think only one was acceptable. Maybe I was just unlucky, but I haven't had that problem with the 447s. Also the bass bump might not be accurate, but it almost always sounds "good" to me.

Yea those 447's sound hot in certain situations, but can also be a nightmare in others - if there is a tendency for bass feedback. They are actually pretty good for sampling.

I was only really impressed with how clean the sound of the 44gs were...I tried to use them live but went back to the 447s.

In regards to the question about needles and TC vinyl, it can only really influence tracking, and how fast / accurate it is. So basically better for keeping up with scratching. Really tight tracking is mainly an issue in absolute mode, relative mode is much more forgiving.

Finally got these 2 month's ago and have been rockin' the sh!t out of them .

The verdict : you get what you pay for . They lasted me about a month a pair . That's gigging 3-4 nights a week and practice during the day, every day . Shure's stylus's last me at least 6 months on that regiment .

They do track and sound as they should w/ Serato but track lousy w/ real vinyl and I'd never use them to sample . Not gonna get anymore cause I don't want them to fumble in the middle of a gig .

I had that M44-G once and it sounded like shit/dull in comparison to white label I previously had, or the arkiv im currently using

konc3pt wrote:I had that M44-G once and it sounded like shit/dull in comparison to white label I previously had, or the arkiv im currently using

Damn really?
I actually did a test Whitelabel vs 44-G and they were basically the same.
Do you wanna step up to the plate and see if you can tell the difference? I've got the files. Amen break recorded at different speeds.

nogginj wrote:

konc3pt wrote:I had that M44-G once and it sounded like shit/dull in comparison to white label I previously had, or the arkiv im currently using

Damn really?
I actually did a test Whitelabel vs 44-G and they were basically the same.
Do you wanna step up to the plate and see if you can tell the difference? I've got the files. Amen break recorded at different speeds.

Really...you compared the two using a break...how bout instrumental sample exposing mid-highs ?

Yea I admit it's not the most perfect test signal, but it's just for fun:

http://www.divshare.com/download/14523563-9e5
http://www.divshare.com/download/14523564-833
http://www.divshare.com/download/14523565-fa0

One of these is the whitelabel, one of these is the 44-g, and the other will be named later...a week if people are really interested, tomorrow if nobody gives a shit.

haha ps. this has your mid-highs in abundance ;]

Shure M44G was my first DJ cartridges (more than 20 years ago), because it was easier than Stanton to find in Japan.
Like someone said, the sound quality was not that great (I don't own M44-G anymore, so cannot say for sure though), but it was really good for scratching, I totally understand many scratch DJs like Q-Bert swear by Shure M44. Now I use Stanton 680 (for listening) and 500.
By the way, I've been hearing Ortofon cartridge wear vinyl very fast, is it true?