Need Some Advice

So Im thinking of acquiring an MPC for beat creation. I attempt to make house music with logic and would like to use new tools. What I really like is some new groove patterns and ideas. I played once with a 909 sequencer and discovered that there are some things you can do on it that sound very unique and are easy to do but in logic not so easy to replicate. Would this be the case of an MPC or am I mistaking?
Also the last doubt/question. Which one?

-Thanks

If size doesn't matter, then I'd suggest the 1k with jj o.s.

A lot of power is packed in that little box.

dabmeister wrote:If size doesn't matter, then I'd suggest the 1k with jj o.s.

A lot of power is packed in that little box.

How about sound wise? Better than the 3000?

fabriciom wrote:

dabmeister wrote:If size doesn't matter, then I'd suggest the 1k with jj o.s.

A lot of power is packed in that little box.

How about sound wise? Better than the 3000?

Someone once said that if you solely rely & base your purchase on the sound itself, you're in serious need of stepping your game up.

The analog staging between the 3k & 1k are from different era's. Someone knowing how to deal with sound & who has the external gear or programs to augment it, can make either one of these sound good depending on the genre of music that's being asked of it.

A 1k going into a top notch pre will probably sh!t all over a 3k going into a low end pre or nothing at all. And the same can be said about a 3k. It's not always about the sound of the gear itself, it's more about the user and what they can do to make the gear sound better.

dabmeister wrote:

fabriciom wrote:

dabmeister wrote:If size doesn't matter, then I'd suggest the 1k with jj o.s.

A lot of power is packed in that little box.

How about sound wise? Better than the 3000?

Someone once said that if you solely rely & base your purchase on the sound itself, you're in serious need of stepping your game up.

The analog staging between the 3k & 1k are from different era's. Someone knowing how to deal with sound & who has the external gear or programs to augment it, can make either one of these sound good depending on the genre of music that's being asked of it.

A 1k going into a top notch pre will probably sh!t all over a 3k going into a low end pre or nothing at all. And the same can be said about a 3k. It's not always about the sound of the gear itself, it's more about the user and what they can do to make the gear sound better.

What I mean was more in the grounds of say if one would be 16bit and the other 24. There you have a huge difference of sound. If they are both 16 bit there isnt really much difference. Unless one has better filters than the other.
You are defently right, Im not looking just for the most pristine sound I can get that with plugins in eqing. Im looking for the best tool to make beats

They are both 16 bit. The AD/DA converters will be different and the sound might be a bit different, but dab is correct, you can always color your sound later.

If you are a real house purist then you could get by with an old one, just understand you would be stepping into a time-warp workflow wise....all those nice things like "effects" and "drag and drop" that you have come to know and love in Logic do not exist with a pre-numark mpc (60, 3000, 2000, xl). A lot of really awesome classic house has been made on probably nothing more than a vintage MPC, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is right for you.

The newer MPCs like the 1000 have built in fx, drag and drop capability with a computer, and more modern specifications (more sample time). So you can basically 'get by' with a lot more. You can try things and try things and work and work and sample and sample and undo to your hearts content. With an older one, you will need to spend more effort being more calculated making sure you are not hitting your memory limit, and also figuring out a good way to store your creations once you want to save them.

So in a nutshell, vintage mpc = totally usable and very 'purist' way to do it, you really need to step your game up and be prepared to get yourself dirty with the machine.

newer mpc = totally usable and much more 'easy', will be more compatible with logic and have much more options for you.

hope that helps. Once you start making house on an MPC you will understand how the genre has in some ways evolved as a direct influence from that machine. To me it's much more fun to produce house with the mpc.

nogginj wrote:They are both 16 bit. The AD/DA converters will be different and the sound might be a bit different, but dab is correct, you can always color your sound later.

If you are a real house purist then you could get by with an old one, just understand you would be stepping into a time-warp workflow wise....all those nice things like "effects" and "drag and drop" that you have come to know and love in Logic do not exist with a pre-numark mpc (60, 3000, 2000, xl). A lot of really awesome classic house has been made on probably nothing more than a vintage MPC, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is right for you.

The newer MPCs like the 1000 have built in fx, drag and drop capability with a computer, and more modern specifications (more sample time). So you can basically 'get by' with a lot more. You can try things and try things and work and work and sample and sample and undo to your hearts content. With an older one, you will need to spend more effort being more calculated making sure you are not hitting your memory limit, and also figuring out a good way to store your creations once you want to save them.

So in a nutshell, vintage mpc = totally usable and very 'purist' way to do it, you really need to step your game up and be prepared to get yourself dirty with the machine.

newer mpc = totally usable and much more 'easy', will be more compatible with logic and have much more options for you.

hope that helps. Once you start making house on an MPC you will understand how the genre has in some ways evolved as a direct influence from that machine. To me it's much more fun to produce house with the mpc.

Thank you very much on your clear and precise explanation. Can you touch a bit on what you call newer mpcs?

-Thanks again

Newer MPCs = mpcs made sense numark acquired akai (sometimes called 'nukai')

1000
2500
5000
500

nogginj wrote:Newer MPCs = mpcs made sense numark acquired akai (sometimes called 'nukai')

1000
2500
5000
500

To tell you the truth what has scared me a bit about using the "older" MPCs is the lack memory as you explained. Efx and suchs is not what I'm looking for. I'm not looking for a purist stile of work. But a tool to help me ease the beat making process and obviously create things I could other wise not be able. Which unit would you recommend me? I dont mind if there is a learning curve. If in the end it pays off.

Get which ever one you can afford. A 1000 will do a whole lot of work. Just get it and learn it. When you've outgrown it, you will know!

fabriciom wrote:So Im thinking of acquiring an MPC for beat creation. I attempt to make house music with logic and would like to use new tools. What I really like is some new groove patterns and ideas. I played once with a 909 sequencer and discovered that there are some things you can do on it that sound very unique and are easy to do but in logic not so easy to replicate. Would this be the case of an MPC or am I mistaking?
Also the last doubt/question. Which one?

-Thanks

the 1k would be cool, but if you have logic i would check out the ultrabeat drum machine that is included in the software instruments; its a step sequencer that is laid out much like the 909