NI MASCHINE - constantly upgrading. (Ver. 1.6)

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Re: NI MASCHINE - constantly upgrading. (Ver. 1.6)

By emptysea Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:37 pm
aes-one wrote:its sad to see BPM kinda fade away these days in maschines shadow. i really think its a superior software with more potential. use this in conjunction with an MPC w/ JJOS2XL and u have the best of both worlds.

Nope. I guess you really have to try Maschine and see how it really works but trying to control a software-only program with a pad controller or MPC doesn't come anywhere close to the experience and the level of total integration you get with Maschine and is definitely not "the best of both worlds" in comparison. Nothing comes close to Maschine for that. You get total hands-on, mouseless, hardware-style workflow from the dedicated hardware combined with the power and flexibility of software.

Plus, the reason BPM hasn't caught on probably has more to do with the fact that it still has show-stopping bugs that's been there for several months like the one with the clip window causing the whole program to crash, which MOTU still hasn't fixed yet. And the workflow just doesn't compare. At the end of the day, it's just another mouse-oriented software.
jimmie wrote:Until Maschine can work without a computer, have 4 dedicated midi outs and multiple audio outs there is no contest for me. Two different pieces of kit in my eyes.

Maschine can actually feel like working without a computer because you can do pretty much everything by just looking at the controller and even have the computer screen turned off and you never have to touch the computer or the mouse/trackpad. Also Maschine has 16 dedicated midi outs and 16 audio outs. And yes, MPC and Maschine are two different pieces of kit. That's for damn sure.

Re: NI MASCHINE - constantly upgrading. (Ver. 1.6)

By aes-one Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:07 pm
yea ive tried maschine a bit, i admit not enough to get the true feel and hang of it....


but i dont doubt for a second that maschines workflow and feel doesnt compare to BPM+MPD/MPC. what i meant tho was, you get the best both worlds (at least i feel I do, haha) when you have BPM AND an MPC w/JJOS2XL on the side. this way, if you want a single standalone hardware machine to do everything for you, just use your MPC. but if you wanna go the software route and maybe use all your soundbanks and what have you, BPM gets the job done in a very efficient manner.

yes, its just another mouse-oriented software, but its a damn good and capable one (very good point about the bugs though). but if you're not looking for mouse oriented software, then yea BPM is not for you. if you're looking for a standalone hardware/software solution for your PC that can rival the MPC's workflow, than look no further than Maschine...i dont dispute that.

what im also saying is i kinda think the mouse oriented method of doing things can be more efficient and simple than pressing buttons all the time even on a dedicated hardware controller...i could be wrong...but i really dont mind using my mouse when using BPM. i actually prefer it in many cases, than having to press mad button combos and flip through menus like i have to do on my MPC sometimes just to accomplish one thing. whereas in BPM it can be done all on the front screen with a lil point and click.

so im kidna making the argument of, whats better for you...mouse-oriented software like BPM vs. software with dedicated standlone hardware like Maschine. for me, mouse oriented BPM wins. then couple that with my MPC 1000 w/JJOS2XL when i wanna get away from the computer........best of both worlds :)
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Re: NI MASCHINE - constantly upgrading. (Ver. 1.6)

By emptysea Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:30 pm
aes-one wrote:but if you're not looking for mouse oriented software, then yea BPM is not for you. if you're looking for a standalone hardware/software solution for your PC that can rival the MPC's workflow, than look no further than Maschine...i dont dispute that.

what im also saying is i kinda think the mouse oriented method of doing things can be more efficient and simple than pressing buttons all the time even on a dedicated hardware controller...i could be wrong...but i really dont mind using my mouse when using BPM. i actually prefer it in many cases, than having to press mad button combos and flip through menus like i have to do on my MPC sometimes just to accomplish one thing. whereas in BPM it can be done all on the front screen with a lil point and click.

Yeah, for sure some people are perfectly comfortable with clicking around with a mouse the whole time. And some might even prefer the mouse or trackpad for certain tasks like dragging and dropping. Maschine still works for those people because it can also be used only on the computer without the hardware. It's nice to have that option.

I've tried it all, including the setup you mentioned, and nothing comes close to the workflow of Maschine. It's much much faster to use than MPCs and the experience as a whole is greater than the sum of MPC + software because it's designed to work as an integrated system instead of trying to use two things that weren't made to be used together. With Maschine, you can have access to all of your sounds at once and you only have to save your project in one place. And you don't have to constantly stop the sequencer to make changes like you do with MPCs. And for me, using Maschine does feel like getting away from the computer because I do everything on the hardware.

Re: NI MASCHINE - constantly upgrading. (Ver. 1.6)

By jimmie Fri Apr 08, 2011 4:01 am
emptysea wrote:what im also saying is i kinda think the mouse oriented method of doing things can be more efficient and simple than pressing buttons all the time even on a dedicated hardware controller


Have you used JJOSXL? It's fast as lightning to do what you want. I find it magnitudes faster than chopping, arranging, editing, etc in my PC.

emptysea wrote:...i could be wrong...but i really dont mind using my mouse when using BPM. i actually prefer it in many cases, than having to press mad button combos and flip through menus like i have to do on my MPC sometimes just to accomplish one thing.


Have you used JJOSXL? The button presses, etc are super-intuitive and fast. There are so many things that improve workflow I'd be here for a day telling you about them. For one, you can globally edit individual parameters in a program. Absolutely nonsensical that the Akaios doesn't have that.

emptysea wrote:I've tried it all, including the setup you mentioned, and nothing comes close to the workflow of Maschine.

Have you used JJOSXL?

emptysea wrote:With Maschine, you can have access to all of your sounds at once and you only have to save your project in one place.

I have a 120gig hard drive. I save each project and all it's files in separate folders. Have you used JJOSXL?

emptysea wrote:And you don't have to constantly stop the sequencer to make changes like you do with MPCs.


You can make changes whilst the sequence is running in JJOSXL. Hold in step edit and change duration, velocity, etc, etc, make live changes to the sample start/end and all program parameters.


Many additions and improvements have been made with JJOSXL. Using an mpc without it is like trying to paint the house through the letterbox compared.
So, unless you have used JJOSXL please do not compare ANYTHING to using an mpc.
An mpc with JJOSXL is in a whole different league to one without. Truth.

Re: NI MASCHINE - constantly upgrading. (Ver. 1.6)

By kb420ps Sun Apr 24, 2011 6:20 pm
This is one of the funniest threads I have ever seen in my life. All I can say is use what makes you feel comfortable. I have a MPC 3000, but I rarely use it now, and it ain't cause I use Maschine. All I use is Ableton Live with a MPD 32 and an APC 40.

Personally, I feel that Maschine is the perfect product for someone who truly wants to use nothing else but software, but misses the workflow of hardware. That's exactly who Maschine was targeted for. That's the target user. I don't think it was really targeted at the hard core MPC user. If you are a hardcore MPC user, then I don't think Maschine is really for you.

Maschine isn't hardware. It's a software program with a dedicated controller that attempts to mimic the workflow of working on a hardware drum machine. In that respect, I think that NI has done a pretty good job for the first attempt. The software is up to 1.6, but the hardware is still version 1.0, and I have a problem with the hardware itself, and here's why:

1.) The Ergonomics. I've used a MPC 3000 for years. The 3000 has a screen that flips up on an angle so that you can make beats and see what's going on comfortably. Maschine is flat as a pancake, and it seems that you have to be right on top of it to look down and see what's going on. Yes, you can look at your computer monitor to see what's going on, but if I have to look at the computer monitor, it sort of takes away from the whole concept of feeling like I'm working on hardware.

2.) The current trend in hardware workstations is to give the user a nice color screen to work with while you compose. Just take a look at the Motif XF, Roland Fantoms, and the new Korg Kronos. Each has a nice color screen with just about every parameter you need clearly represented on the screen. I would take those screens over Maschines any day of the week, especially now that Maschine 1.6 is a vst host. Once again, you can look at your computer monitor, but, once again, doesn't that take away from the whole concept of feeling like you are working with hardware??? Isn't that the purpose of using Maschine over BPM, Guru, or Geist??? For me personally, I went from using a MPC 3000, to doing everything on a 19" computer monitor. Now I use two 22" monitors because I like to see everything that's going on when I make beats. The idea of having a MPC 3000 like workflow with all of my software would be nice, but if I have to go back to using two small ass screens that I have to page through to get to basic functions doesn't really seem like that big of an advantage to using something like Live/APC40 with a MPD 32 and a mouse.



I am a member of Ableton's forums, and there are a lot of users there that are in love with Maschine. I don't have Maschine and really haven't bought into it. I'm waiting to see how much it gets developed. The software is being developed well. I think I'll wait until they do something with the hardware, and if they don't, I'm perfectly happy with my current setup.


Just my $.02.
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Re: NI MASCHINE - constantly upgrading. (Ver. 1.6)

By emptysea Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:05 am
kb420ps wrote:I don't think it was really targeted at the hard core MPC user. If you are a hardcore MPC user, then I don't think Maschine is really for you.

Then just take a look at the Maschine forum and you'll find plenty of people who used to consider themselves "hardcore MPC users" for years who have now completely replaced their MPCs with Maschine.

And it's not about software vs. hardware. Maschine blurs the lines between the two.
kb420ps wrote:The Ergonomics. I've used a MPC 3000 for years. The 3000 has a screen that flips up on an angle so that you can make beats and see what's going on comfortably. Maschine is flat as a pancake, and it seems that you have to be right on top of it to look down and see what's going on.

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kb420ps wrote:The current trend in hardware workstations is to give the user a nice color screen to work with while you compose. Just take a look at the Motif XF, Roland Fantoms, and the new Korg Kronos. Each has a nice color screen with just about every parameter you need clearly represented on the screen. I would take those screens over Maschines any day of the week, especially now that Maschine 1.6 is a vst host. Once again, you can look at your computer monitor, but, once again, doesn't that take away from the whole concept of feeling like you are working with hardware??? Isn't that the purpose of using Maschine over BPM, Guru, or Geist???

Nope. With Maschine you have options. You can turn off the computer screen and just work with the controller, or only work on the computer without using the controller at all if you wish. Most people use a combination of using the controller for most things and the nice big colorful display on the computer for when it is helpful. But clearly the advantage of Maschine is that it doesn't force you with a typical mouse-driven approach to using software.
kb420ps wrote:For me personally, I went from using a MPC 3000, to doing everything on a 19" computer monitor. Now I use two 22" monitors because I like to see everything that's going on when I make beats. The idea of having a MPC 3000 like workflow with all of my software would be nice, but if I have to go back to using two small ass screens that I have to page through to get to basic functions doesn't really seem like that big of an advantage to using something like Live/APC40 with a MPD 32 and a mouse.

You seem to be missing something. Like I said, with Maschine, you don't have to just use the dual displays on the controller. It gives you options to suit your own particular workflow.

As far as comparing it to Live w/ APC40 and MPD and a mouse, the difference is that you don't get anywhere near the level of controls and visual feedback using Live with MIDI controllers so you're forced to use the mouse and stare at the computer screen for most things even if you don't want to. Even touchAble on the iPad does far more in that area for controlling Live.

Anyway, Maschine has some key advantages over Live in terms of workflow and many people including myself have replaced Live with Maschine as a production tool. For example, Live does not have a dedicated controller with the level of integration and workflow that Maschine has. Live does not have a tactile x0x step sequencer like Maschine. Live cannot record realtime automation into clips like Maschine (as in tweaking knobs and have the movement recorded in session view) without cumbersome workarounds that only sorta work in certain circumstances (actually impossible to do with Live's own devices)...etc. The list goes on...
kb420ps wrote:I think I'll wait until they do something with the hardware, and if they don't, I'm perfectly happy with my current setup.
Maschine's hardware is perfectly fine and I don't see it being updated anytime soon, if ever. It even has a button that still hasn't been assigned a primary function. And it has the most sensitive and responsive pads you'll find on any gear. The software part of it is of course being updated constantly and because of its nature, has plenty of room to grow.

Re: NI MASCHINE - constantly upgrading. (Ver. 1.6)

By kb420ps Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:54 am
emptysea wrote:Then just take a look at the Maschine forum and you'll find plenty of people who used to consider themselves "hardcore MPC users" for years who have now completely replaced their MPCs with Maschine.


That may be the case, but I'm not convinced. I consider myself a software user now, and I'm still not convinced. I don't like the hardware controller.



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Something else to buy just to prop it up. I guess I'm not the only person who feels that way about Maschine if someone or some company is already making a product like this. The only reason someone even thought to make a product like this is because the hardware controller needs a flip screen, like the MPC's have had for decades. lmao!!!!:)


emptysea wrote:Nope. With Maschine you have options. You can turn off the computer screen and just work with the controller, or only work on the computer without using the controller at all if you wish. Most people use a combination of using the controller for most things and the nice big colorful display on the computer for when it is helpful. But clearly the advantage of Maschine is that it doesn't force you with a typical mouse-driven approach to using software


Obviously you missed my point. I said that the two little screens on the Maschine hardware are much too small to handle all of the data that many vst's throw at a user. So, now that it can host vst's, the screens can't display all of the data you need. That "forces" you to use a computer monitor, which in my opinion takes away from the whole concept of "hardware" workflow. If I have to look at the computer screen, I don't feel like I'm using hardware anymore. Once again, isn't that the point???


emptysea wrote:You seem to be missing something. Like I said, with Maschine, you don't have to just use the dual displays on the controller. It gives you options to suit your own particular workflow.

As far as comparing it to Live w/ APC40 and MPD and a mouse, the difference is that you don't get anywhere near the level of controls and visual feedback using Live with MIDI controllers so you're forced to use the mouse and stare at the computer screen for most things even if you don't want to. Even touchAble on the iPad does far more in that area for controlling Live.

Anyway, Maschine has some key advantages over Live in terms of workflow and many people including myself have replaced Live with Maschine as a production tool. For example, Live does not have a dedicated controller with the level of integration and workflow that Maschine has. Live does not have a tactile x0x step sequencer like Maschine. Live cannot record realtime automation into clips like Maschine (as in tweaking knobs and have the movement recorded in session view) without cumbersome workarounds that only sorta work in certain circumstances (actually impossible to do with Live's own devices)...etc. The list goes on...



For me personally, the automation issue in Session View isn't a big deal at all. You can always do what ever you want with automation in the Arrangement View. If that's all you've got, that isn't anything. Where is this list that goes on??? I'll take Live's warping ability and time expansion/compression algorithms over Maschine's any day of the week. I'd like to see you try to warp a whole song and do a DJ set with Maschine. Maschine's software has a long way to go before you can even compare it in the same sentence with Live. You must be joking. You can't be serious if you think Maschine's software is better than Live. Maschine just got vst hosting and you think it's a replacement for Live. lmao!!!!!


emptysea wrote:Maschine's hardware is perfectly fine and I don't see it being updated anytime soon, if ever. It even has a button that still hasn't been assigned a primary function. And it has the most sensitive and responsive pads you'll find on any gear. The software part of it is of course being updated constantly and because of its nature, has plenty of room to grow.


You are entitled to your opinion. FWIW, I don't like the hardware's ergonomics. In that respect, the MPC 3000, 4000, 5000, and 2500 are better. All of them seem to be thought out a little more.

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The 5000 has wider knobs, a bigger data entry knob, a flip up screen, and four faders. Maschine has tiny skinny knobs, no bigger data entry knob, and no faders whatsoever. It looks cluttered and tight. I don't see how I could ever get used to that coming from an MPC background. Again, this is just my opinion. I may not have all of the hands on control that Maschine gives, but I'm much more comfortable with the MPD 32 and APC 40. I have the same knobs, and faders as the MPC, so I feel right at home.


If you are happy with Maschine, then hey man, I'm happy for you. I don't think it's for me. If they changed a few things, maybe, but not now. That's my opinion. I really don't think that Maschine is for everyone.
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Re: NI MASCHINE - constantly upgrading. (Ver. 1.6)

By emptysea Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:26 am
There is no equipment that is "for everyone".
kb420ps wrote:Something else to buy just to prop it up. I guess I'm not the only person who feels that way about Maschine if someone or some company is already making a product like this. The only reason someone even thought to make a product like this is because the hardware controller needs a flip screen, like the MPC's have had for decades. lmao!!!!:)

No, it doesn't need a flip screen and no one makes a product like that specifically for Maschine. I was just pointing out that if someone wants to use it angled, they can. I certainly don't need it.
kb420ps wrote:I said that the two little screens on the Maschine hardware are much too small to handle all of the data that many vst's throw at a user. So, now that it can host vst's, the screens can't display all of the data you need. That "forces" you to use a computer monitor, which in my opinion takes away from the whole concept of "hardware" workflow.

No, it doesn't. Maschine's automapping of plugin parameters work very well, although there's still lots of room for improvement. Whatever the plugin shows to the host as far as parameter names and values, Maschine will display them on the dual displays above the knobs.
kb420ps wrote:For me personally, the automation issue in Session View isn't a big deal at all. You can always do what ever you want with automation in the Arrangement View.

The whole workaround of recording the automation in arrange view and then having to copy and paste that data into session view clips is utter fail in terms of workflow compared to Maschine where you can just push a button and turn knobs to record automation right into clips.
kb420ps wrote:If that's all you've got, that isn't anything. Where is this list that goes on???

If you've been to the Ableton forum, you'll know where to find that list. They'll do a much better job at that than me since I don't really use it anymore because of Maschine. But the main issue with Live is the serious stability issue they've been struggling with ever since Live 8, which is not a good sign for a tool whose main purpose is supposed to be live performance.
kb420ps wrote:I'll take Live's warping ability and time expansion/compression algorithms over Maschine's any day of the week. I'd like to see you try to warp a whole song and do a DJ set with Maschine.

That's a non-issue as I can already timestretching inside Maschine with various plugins including Reaktor, Kontakt, Melodyne...etc. And NI have been working on a state of the art realtime timestretch algorithm for Maschine that's going to be built in. And for me, Maschine and Logic combined is a far more powerful and elegant solution than Live's arrange/session view.
kb420ps wrote:Maschine's software has a long way to go before you can even compare it in the same sentence with Live. You must be joking. You can't be serious if you think Maschine's software is better than Live. Maschine just got vst hosting and you think it's a replacement for Live. lmao!!!!!

Nope. For people whose main interest in Live was mainly the session view, Maschine has already become a serious alternative. The total integration with the tactile, dedicated hardware is a huge advantage for Maschine.

Re: NI MASCHINE - constantly upgrading. (Ver. 1.6)

By kb420ps Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:39 pm
emptysea wrote:There is no equipment that is "for everyone".

No, it doesn't need a flip screen and no one makes a product like that specifically for Maschine. I was just pointing out that if someone wants to use it angled, they can. I certainly don't need it.


On that we agree. There is no equipment for everyone. That's about the only thing that you've said that makes any sense and that is unbiased. YOU don't think Maschine needs a flip screen. I think it does. You are entitled to your opinion. I'm entitled to mine. With a MPC, I don't need any other product to angle it just so I can see the screen.

emptysea wrote:No, it doesn't. Maschine's automapping of plugin parameters work very well, although there's still lots of room for improvement. Whatever the plugin shows to the host as far as parameter names and values, Maschine will display them on the dual displays above the knobs.


My biggest problem with Maschine is the hardware controller. Are you trying to tell me that Maschine wouldn't be better off with a bigger screen??? Maybe even a color screen??? If you don't feel like that, that's your opinion. I think the screens are too small for everything that it's trying to do especially since it's trying to control vst's now and give you the feel of a hardware workstation.


emptysea wrote:The whole workaround of recording the automation in arrange view and then having to copy and paste that data into session view clips is utter fail in terms of workflow compared to Maschine where you can just push a button and turn knobs to record automation right into clips.


Once again, that's your opinion. I respect that, but I don't feel that way. That one point isn't enough for me to drop Live and use Maschine exclusively for beatmaking and vst hosting. There's no way in hell.


emptysea wrote:If you've been to the Ableton forum, you'll know where to find that list. They'll do a much better job at that than me since I don't really use it anymore because of Maschine. But the main issue with Live is the serious stability issue they've been struggling with ever since Live 8, which is not a good sign for a tool whose main purpose is supposed to be live performance.


That means absolutely nothing. Any product forum you go to will have people there complaining about a product. That's pretty much the whole purpose of a forum, and that applies to everything. Reason/Record are super stable, but if you go to their forums, you will see plenty of complaints about Reason/Record. It won't be about stability. Instead, it will be about Reason/Record not having 3rd party plug in hosting, and not having midi out capability. You'll also see threads about the users wanting better synths. I don't go to Maschine's forums, but I'm sure if I did, there would be plenty of complaints about it too. That's just the way forums are. It's the same way in the MPC 5000 forum too. There, users are complaining about the fact that Akai hasn't come out with another bug fix. That doesn't mean that they don't want their 5000's anymore. It's just the nature of forums. If you read product forums and let that sway your opinion about a product before you buy it, you'll never buy anything because nothing is perfect. It's all about what you are comfortable with. My opinion of Maschine isn't based on anything I've read in a forum. My opinion is based on what I, myself, see, and I know it's not for me.


emptysea wrote:That's a non-issue as I can already timestretching inside Maschine with various plugins including Reaktor, Kontakt, Melodyne...etc. And NI have been working on a state of the art realtime timestretch algorithm for Maschine that's going to be built in. And for me, Maschine and Logic combined is a far more powerful and elegant solution than Live's arrange/session view.


That's your opinion, and I respect that. I don't agree, and I think your opinion is disingenuous. First you said that you were replacing Live with Maschine. Now you are saying that you are using, Reaktor, Kontakt, Melodyne, Logic, etc........... all to replace Live. If you need ALL THAT to replace Live, than I don't feel as though I have to prove anything else. Knock yourself out man. ???


emptysea wrote:Nope. For people whose main interest in Live was mainly the session view, Maschine has already become a serious alternative. The total integration with the tactile, dedicated hardware is a huge advantage for Maschine.


Once again, that's your opinion. I disagree. For me, the total integration of Maschine is the only thing appealing about it. If you take that away, you have a new drum sequencer/wanna be DAW that's in it's infancy that just recently acquired vst hosting, but doesn't host Rewire clients and can't handle audio tracks. I'll give NI some credit. It seems that they are listening to their user base and adding new features, but personally, I think it has an identity crises now. Is it a virtual drum machine with impressive integration with it's control surface, or is it a junior DAW that's in serious need of bread and butter functions????

It's not for everyone, and it's definitely not for me. Even if I did convince myself that I absolutely needed that integration between software and control surface that Maschine offers, I don't think I could ever replace Live with it. I don't think that I would really want it to control my vst's, especially when you consider the fact that you still ultimately need a real DAW. That's what I get from what you've said and from what the website states:

After quickly and intuitively developing your ideas, drag and drop your patterns as MIDI or audio files directly into your DAW to finalize and mix your production.


http://www.native-instruments.com/#/en/ ... ?page=1420


The integration between the software and the hardware is nice. I'm not disputing that, but Maschine isn't for me. I don't like the control surface. I really wouldn't want to replace Live with it. I couldn't replace Live with it. I personally wouldn't want to control vst's with it either. Ultimately, in my opinion it doesn't bring anything to the table. Maschine, even with it's integration, would only be another distraction. I can already do everything I need, and I like my workflow just the way it is. If I want to work on hardware, I can use my MPC 3000 and Motif.

That's my opinion.
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Re: NI MASCHINE - constantly upgrading. (Ver. 1.6)

By emptysea Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:22 pm
kb420ps wrote:
emptysea wrote:There is no equipment that is "for everyone".

On that we agree. There is no equipment for everyone. That's about the only thing that you've said that makes any sense and that is unbiased.

:lol: So your opinion is unbiased then?
kb420ps wrote:Are you trying to tell me that Maschine wouldn't be better off with a bigger screen??? Maybe even a color screen??? If you don't feel like that, that's your opinion. I think the screens are too small for everything that it's trying to do especially since it's trying to control vst's now and give you the feel of a hardware workstation.
Yes, that is my opinion. And you have your opinion. What is so hard to understand about that? Those of us that actually use Maschine are happy with the hardware feel and workflow. And the "bigger color screen" is always there on the computer if we wish to see it. But most of the time, the screen can be turned off.
kb420ps wrote:
emptysea wrote:The whole workaround of recording the automation in arrange view and then having to copy and paste that data into session view clips is utter fail in terms of workflow compared to Maschine where you can just push a button and turn knobs to record automation right into clips.

Once again, that's your opinion. I respect that, but I don't feel that way. That one point isn't enough for me to drop Live and use Maschine exclusively for beatmaking and vst hosting. There's no way in hell.

Once again, you keep saying "That's your opinion and this is my opinion." That's quite obvious and it's really annoying that you keep repeating it. We know. No one is telling you to "drop Live and use Maschine exclusively". But regardless of your opinion, the reality is that many people including myself have dropped MPC and Live completely to use Maschine as their main production tool. No one cares what you use. But for you to make claims like "it doesn't bring anything to the table" when you've never even used it is rather disingenous.
kb420ps wrote:
emptysea wrote:If you've been to the Ableton forum, you'll know where to find that list. They'll do a much better job at that than me since I don't really use it anymore because of Maschine. But the main issue with Live is the serious stability issue they've been struggling with ever since Live 8, which is not a good sign for a tool whose main purpose is supposed to be live performance.

That means absolutely nothing. Any product forum you go to will have people there complaining about a product.

Nope. It's not just random people complaining on a forum. Ableton themselves have publicly apologized for the serious issues with Live 8's stability:
http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=132761
Live has been crashing constantly for performers like Glitch Mob during their last tour and Zoe Keating when she performed at the last TED conference, and for many other artists to the point that yes, many are dropping Live and looking at other alternatives mainly for this serious issue.
kb420ps wrote:First you said that you were replacing Live with Maschine. Now you are saying that you are using, Reaktor, Kontakt, Melodyne, Logic, etc........... all to replace Live. If you need ALL THAT to replace Live, than I don't feel as though I have to prove anything else. Knock yourself out man. ???

Those are plugins that run inside Maschine. I certainly don't need any of them to replace Live. Maschine had already replaced Live as my main production tool even before plugin hosting was implemented. As for Logic, I only use it for mixing and mastering and it's far more powerful and elegant than Live's arrangement view.
kb420ps wrote:For me, the total integration of Maschine is the only thing appealing about it. If you take that away, you have a new drum sequencer/wanna be DAW that's in it's infancy that just recently acquired vst hosting, but doesn't host Rewire clients and can't handle audio tracks.

The total integration is one of the main point of Maschine and it's not being "taken away". It's one of the main reasons for using it. Oh, and it can handle audio tracks (just not in the linear timeline sense like actual DAWs) and it actually can also host Rewire clients via the XT Rewire VST plugin.

It sounds like you clearly have some issue with the fact that many people have and continue to switch from Live/MPC to Maschine when you personally don't want to. It's ok. Let it go. There's no need to get all worked up about it. We get it. You don't want to stop using Live. No one is forcing you to. Just relax and breathe slowly.

Re: NI MASCHINE - constantly upgrading. (Ver. 1.6)

By kb420ps Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:09 pm
If anyone needs to relax, it's you. You're on some crazy idealistic crusade to change the world to Maschine. If you don't think you need to relax, just read through how many times in this 30 page thread you've defended it.

Are you on the payroll????? :D


To be honest, I bumped this thread just to see if you would bite, and you did!!!!! LMAO!!!!

I could give a **** what you use!!!!!


At least now I know why people are writing things like this about you:

Damn . . . emptysea always has to put his cape on and fly in for Maschine (and somehow I knew you'd be the 1st to reply to this w/ some BS) .

Not trying to turn this into another "Maschine vs. MPC" thread so until you have something constructive to help the MPC users on here emptysea, GTFOH .

Do NI really need to get mpc users to switch to Maschine this much?
Give your marketing a rest.

FCUK OFF and join a MACHINE forum, we're fed up with your B.S. about MACHINE.

if a buy a maschine will empeasea suck me off?
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