any place to hear the difference between 12 and 16 bits sam

peterpiper wrote:

jpeg wrote:the difference is not that huge on drums on other sounds u end up with less high end.


alot the the 12 bit magic is a combination of the a/d and d/a's plus the sound engine of different units in them days

How can a value that specify the depth/steps of the amplitude (how low can a signal be to be recognized) effect the frequency?
You talk about samplerate OP talks about bitdepth.

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jpeg wrote:

peterpiper wrote:

jpeg wrote:the difference is not that huge on drums on other sounds u end up with less high end.


alot the the 12 bit magic is a combination of the a/d and d/a's plus the sound engine of different units in them days

How can a value that specify the depth/steps of the amplitude (how low can a signal be to be recognized) effect the frequency?
You talk about samplerate OP talks about bitdepth.

peace

your rhymes make no sense just like a roman christian

really?

there are two values in sampling audio signals

bitdepth specify the amplitute
samplerate specify the frequency range

you said that a 12bit sample will sound more dull than a 16bit sample and thats wrong cause the bitdepth wont change anything in the frequency range. 8bit and 24bit bit can have the same frequency range.

peace

peterpiper wrote:really?

there are two values in sampling audio signals

bitdepth specify the amplitute
samplerate specify the frequency range

you said that a 12bit sample will sound more dull than a 16bit sample and thats wrong cause the bitdepth wont change anything in the frequency range. 8bit and 24bit bit can have the same frequency range.

peace

u r a left brain nerd hence why ur over analysing why I am saying.

im telling u how shit sounds to my ear as i had a sampler that could sample 16 bit and 12 bit and the comparisson of how they sound is how i described above.

ur scientific outlook may be correct but i aint prepared to go into the science and maths im just talling ur in laymans terms how the sound differs

you do not have the intellect to explain in science and math, so stop frontin'

jimmie wrote:

nod records wrote:it's not just the 12-bit, it the characteristic of the machine too that makes up the sound.

I've found that lower bit-rate samples tend to cut through a mix easier... dunno why... maybe because they are less complex.

Me too and I put it down the limited dynamic range a 12 bit system has...it kind of sucks the life out of samples making them easier to mix, I compared the MPC-60 to the S-3200 and while the 3200 had a lot more punch you needed to compress the drums more

jpeg wrote:

peterpiper wrote:really?

there are two values in sampling audio signals

bitdepth specify the amplitute
samplerate specify the frequency range

you said that a 12bit sample will sound more dull than a 16bit sample and thats wrong cause the bitdepth wont change anything in the frequency range. 8bit and 24bit bit can have the same frequency range.

peace

u r a left brain nerd hence why ur over analysing why I am saying.

im telling u how shit sounds to my ear as i had a sampler that could sample 16 bit and 12 bit and the comparisson of how they sound is how i described above.

ur scientific outlook may be correct but i aint prepared to go into the science and maths im just talling ur in laymans terms how the sound differs

I never heard of a sampler that is adjustable in bitdepth. which one was it?
Well maybe I misunderstood and you got 2 samplers with different bitdepths but...... 2 samplers always sound different. No matter the bitdepth or samplerate.
I belive you heard a frequency difference when you compared your sample but it doesn't have anyything to do with the bitdepth.
I just insist on that to avoid myth building. 12bit have the same frequency range as 16 or 24 bit.


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torango u a fool (the end of it)

but im talking about the zoom sampletrak st-224 u can sample 8 bit, 12 bit and 16 bit

jpeg wrote:torango u a fool (the end of it)

but im talking about the zoom sampletrak st-224 u can sample 8 bit, 12 bit and 16 bit

It seem you have a heavy-modded st224 cause the machine doesn't provide an adjustable bitdepth (just like any other sampler on planet earth. As far as I understand the sampling process this isn't really possible with the used A/D converters. I guess a sampler with this option needs 3 A/D converter. One with 8bit , another with 12bit and one with 16bit)
You can choose between 3 samplerates (8, 16 or 32kHz) on the st224 but I guess you know that

Oh and of course you can load samples with 8bit but thats a complete different story.

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peter piper u dont have a clue u download the manual for the zoom sampletrak then comeback and tell me if its possible to sample at different rates

peterpiper is correct.

the manual wrote:Sampling Frequency - Hi-Fi: 32kHz / Standard: 16kHz / Lo-Fi: 8kHz

That is in regards to sampling rate not bit depth.

It's true that a lower sampling rate will make it sound 'muddier' and will remove high frequencies.

Bit depth will not affect that the same way.

This is obviously a big point of confusion amongst most people so it is good to make sure the information that is out there is correct.

It's true that different people will hear it differently, but sampling rate is what affects the high-frequency loss, and the st224 does not provide an option to sample at 8, 12, or 16 bits. It offers sample rate adjustment.

jpeg wrote:peter piper u dont have a clue u download the manual for the zoom sampletrak then comeback and tell me if its possible to sample at different rates

Thats exactly what I did with my last post.

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okay, well that aside... what is the advantage of lowering it down though if it just makes samples dull? do you save space?

yes - its all about the space. It's crazy to work with the S-nine-50 in different resolutions - like kicks with only 8khz - snares 12khz - and hihats 15khz. I can create a large drumkit on a single disk working that way.

Jesus feckin christ! people who don't know shit talkin back on people who know they shit..

At least now I understand a lot more about the diffrence between bitdepth and samplerate Thanks for sharing the knowledge lads

ChewoBeats wrote:yes - its all about the space. It's crazy to work with the S-nine-50 in different resolutions - like kicks with only 8khz - snares 12khz - and hihats 15khz. I can create a large drumkit on a single disk working that way.

yeah I have an s900... I was talking about the dude's zoom machine. I never worked with one of those before.

edit:

on the zoom page for that model... it says lo-fi mode makes some sounds more powerful... O.o