New user with some issues...

poundaproblem wrote:You're worse than those door to door bible thumpers. At least they leave when you ask them to get off the property.

This reminded me of the time my Dad had to forcibly remove a couple of Jehovah's Witnesses off our drive!

1. For you the workflow may be faster, but that's far too subjective to hold any weight.

2. The APC is excellent, and yes it does work perfectly with Ableton. Any particular element that you think is unsuitable on the APC? Or are you just inflicting your opinion on us again for the sake of argument?

3. I've used Ableton for a long time, I'm well aware of that. All I said was that realtime automation in Ableton is incredibly deep. Which is correct.

4. Soooo yes... you still NEED a computer, but you can just turn the peripherals off. Wow, inspirational.

5. I've used my MPC in numerous places, even on a train. Portability is not an issue. Heavy as a brick? Perhaps if you were 5 years old mate... man up

6. Oh... no response here? Just a sarcastic smiley. I take it you also enjoyed reading up on hardware emulation?

7. If it's not about comparing it to an MPC then how can you possibly say it surpasses it, and goes much more beyond something you consider outdated? Why do you insist on dragging up comparisons to every other alternative out there?That's probably the most hypocritical thing you've said.

The fact is mate, time and time again you've glossed over a few responses by telling me the MPC is old news yada yada... but you've not actually give me anything to substantiate your OPINION. You're probably the worst NI salesmen they've ever employed to hype up their products.

Often overlooked are the other necessary components to make machine run well.

emptysea wrote:You couldn't be more wrong about it having "too many options". That's exactly the opposite of what Maschine is. It's simplicity and the efficient hands-on workflow are its main strengths.

same with the MPC.

emptysea wrote:

Sooty_G wrote:the MPC is simple and reliable.

Try telling that to countless MPC4000/5000 users experiencing constant crashes and having to put up with unfixed bugs.

i don't have that problem. i use a 1000 with the JJ os.


you are way too fanatical about promoting Maschine, especially on an MPC forum. if you have moved on to something better then you really have no business being here anymore unless you're getting paid by NI. your constant badgering has left a really bad taste in my mouth regarding Maschine and has made me not want to hear anything more about it EVER.

i dont see why anyone needs to get defensive.
if you're happy with your music and don't feel restricted, go you.
personally i know how to work with midi.
i can build a midi controller to do whatever i want for pete's sake
if i were to buy a product today, i would probably have a hard time choosing between maschine or the 1k with jjos.
but you know what? it wouldn't fking matter. because in the end you either put your time in and learn how to be a good musician or you don't.
f*cking hell, i've spent far too many stupid hours on this site saying defending the 1k
just like emptysea, you're spending too many stupid hours on this site searching for "maschine" and blathering about what it can or can't do. it doesn't fking matter, get off your rocking horse and make some music.

f*ck sake...hitting "POST" is always going to be easier than writing music

your constant badgering has left a really bad taste in my mouth regarding Maschine and has made me not want to hear anything more about it EVER.

+100

Sooty_G wrote:you are way too fanatical about promoting Maschine, especially on an MPC forum. if you have moved on to something better then you really have no business being here anymore unless you're getting paid by NI. your constant badgering has left a really bad taste in my mouth regarding Maschine and has made me not want to hear anything more about it EVER.

I couldn't give a rat's ass what you want to hear. I call out BS when I see it even if it's the hangout spot for MPC fanboys. If you don't like what you hear, stop reading and go mind your own business.

emptysea wrote: even if it's the hangout spot for MPC fanboys

Says the maschine "fanboy" himself

emptysea.....You'll never win this. Ever.....just take your toy and leave the playground

poundaproblem wrote:You'll never win this. Ever.....just take your toy and leave the playground

Win what? I see... It's obviously some kind of a contest for you but sorry, not interested.

Im not the one trying to sell Maschines

Jesus my thread took a wrong turn somewhere...

I agree with Nym...it honestly doesn't matter what the **** you use...at the end of the day it's about the final product (the music).

So why are you pushing Maschine on these people that obviously like what they are using? Something being 'better' is a relative term...it's whatever works for you the best...live and let live.

Honestly, Maschine works better for me...but I grew up in a different time, and I'm more used to software and software based stuff...It just works for me, but I'm not gonna come in here and say 'You should be using Maschine! It's way better! It can do blah blah blah better."

Yeah, maybe for you...not everyone...These are MPC forums...so if you have information to contribute about the MPC, then please...by all means...that is what we are here for.

If you have information about Maschine...then they have a forums on the NI website as well....

So BACK to MY THREAD...

I think I have decided that the MPC does not work as well for me, and I could spend my extra cash on something more useful for my workflow. (I want the new Yamaha M0X8)

but I have one more question while I still have it...how come I can't turn the swing down below 50%? What if I don't want as much swing...or perhaps none at all?

50% is essentially 0.

pr0j3ktmayh3m wrote:it honestly doesn't matter what the **** you use...at the end of the day it's about the final product (the music).

So why are you pushing Maschine on these people that obviously like what they are using? Something being 'better' is a relative term...it's whatever works for you the best...live and let live.

Honestly, Maschine works better for me...but I grew up in a different time, and I'm more used to software and software based stuff...It just works for me, but I'm not gonna come in here and say 'You should be using Maschine! It's way better! It can do blah blah blah better."

Notice how I never said anything like "you should be using Maschine" to anyone. I'm just providing information about a piece of gear I feel excited about, and my experiences with it coming from a MPC background. Information that I believe some of the MPC users would benefit from. There's too much misinformation and myths being spread by MPC fanboys who lash out at anything that they see as undermining their perceived superiority of their precious MPCs and accuse people of "salesman" or whatever.

The fact is, many MPC users, including some from this very forum, have since switched to Maschine once they realized what it really is (which doesn't mean that everyone else should). But there are still plenty of cats sleeping on it even though they may actually benefit from it. In fact, I've heard a lot of people say "why didn't anyone tell me about this before?" once they find out. There's nothing wrong with sharing information, even about non-MPC gear in this forum. Ultimately, it's about what you do with what you use. It's just that some MPC fanboys can't handle the idea that something "better" or is an "improvement" upon the gear they attach so much of their ego to can actually exist which leads to this kind of silly back and forth.

poundaproblem wrote:50% is essentially 0.

Thanks!

emptysea wrote:

pr0j3ktmayh3m wrote:it honestly doesn't matter what the **** you use...at the end of the day it's about the final product (the music).

So why are you pushing Maschine on these people that obviously like what they are using? Something being 'better' is a relative term...it's whatever works for you the best...live and let live.

Honestly, Maschine works better for me...but I grew up in a different time, and I'm more used to software and software based stuff...It just works for me, but I'm not gonna come in here and say 'You should be using Maschine! It's way better! It can do blah blah blah better."

Notice how I never said anything like "you should be using Maschine" to anyone. I'm just providing information about a piece of gear I feel excited about, and my experiences with it coming from a MPC background. Information that I believe some of the MPC users would benefit from. There's too much misinformation and myths being spread by MPC fanboys who lash out at anything that they see as undermining their perceived superiority of their precious MPCs and accuse people of "salesman" or whatever.

The fact is, many MPC users, including some from this very forum, have since switched to Maschine once they realized what it really is (which doesn't mean that everyone else should). But there are still plenty of cats sleeping on it even though they may actually benefit from it. In fact, I've heard a lot of people say "why didn't anyone tell me about this before?" once they find out. There's nothing wrong with sharing information, even about non-MPC gear in this forum. Ultimately, it's about what you do with what you use. It's just that some MPC fanboys can't handle the idea that something "better" or is an "improvement" upon the gear they attach so much of their ego to can actually exist which leads to this kind of silly back and forth.

Yeah, but it's like they said...you're like a radical christian...if I wanted to change my setup I would seek the information out...don't really need it shoved down my throat or repeated hundreds of times.

pr0j3ktmayh3m wrote:Yeah, but it's like they said...you're like a radical christian...

Radical christian? Huh. I'm more like a radical agnostic actually.