Tracking out a sound module

Hi,
So I have a Roland JV 1010 sound module and a M-audio quattro audio interface. What I'd like to do is record in MIDI the sounds from the JV in my DAW(Reaper). I know I can do this in audio by connecting the outs of the JV to the ins of the interface, but this interface doesn't have preamp, and I'd like to quantize what I record in Reaper. So, is there a way that I could record in MIDI? I'm not sure if this is possible, I still have problems to understand MIDI
Thanks!

Borat wrote:So, is there a way that I could record in MIDI? I'm not sure if this is possible, I still have problems to understand MIDI
Thanks!

No you can't.

Record audio via your audio interface, you shouldn't need a pre-amp.

Ok thanks. Yes, I know I can record without a preamp, but the sound is quite low.

I have to disagree with clint here... you CAN record in midi and then quantise later.

What you have to understand, is that once you record the midi, the only way to play that back is to send that midi BACK to the JV.

The way to do this would be:
1) sequencer/keyboard midi OUT to soundcard midi IN
2) soundcard midi OUT to jv midi IN

You see how that works? the soundcard sort of 'intercepts' the midi signal, then send it back out. Now, you can record a midi track in reaper, quantise it how you want, then simply play back the midi notes and they will be sent back to the jv.

You are not 'recording' sound in this case, you are simply recording midi events, which the computer then plays back to the JV. Once you have the sequence how you want, THEN you can record the audio out of the JV.

Midi just says "Play note A at time X on instrument Y"....where A can be any note, X can be any time, and Y can be any instrument connected to the midi out of the sequencer (in this case reaper) configured correctly (reaper has to send on the same channel the device receives on).

Yes there will be lots of things to configure properly, namely midi ports/channels in the computer, but you should try it as it will essentially allow you to work in both midi and audio together.

just use your MPC for midi recording and editing. much simpler than bothering with MIDI, DAWs and soundcards.

beach_break wrote:just use your MPC for midi recording and editing. much simpler than bothering with MIDI, DAWs and soundcards.

There is something I still don't understand with this, if for example I use my MPC to sequence sounds from the JV using MIDI , how can I track out those sequences and have the sounds of the JV? If I can't do this, I don't see the point of sequencing MIDI with the MPC?

same as the way you track out your mpc and other instruments - stick a cable in the audio out on the jv, and the other end to audio in on the soundcard.

nogginj wrote:I have to disagree with clint here... you CAN record in midi and then quantise later.

What you have to understand, is that once you record the midi, the only way to play that back is to send that midi BACK to the JV.

The way to do this would be:
1) sequencer/keyboard midi OUT to soundcard midi IN
2) soundcard midi OUT to jv midi IN

You see how that works? the soundcard sort of 'intercepts' the midi signal, then send it back out. Now, you can record a midi track in reaper, quantise it how you want, then simply play back the midi notes and they will be sent back to the jv.

You are not 'recording' sound in this case, you are simply recording midi events, which the computer then plays back to the JV. Once you have the sequence how you want, THEN you can record the audio out of the JV.

Midi just says "Play note A at time X on instrument Y"....where A can be any note, X can be any time, and Y can be any instrument connected to the midi out of the sequencer (in this case reaper) configured correctly (reaper has to send on the same channel the device receives on).

Yes there will be lots of things to configure properly, namely midi ports/channels in the computer, but you should try it as it will essentially allow you to work in both midi and audio together.

Co-Sign.. I Use the G8 , Recording the MIDI in Logic. Then I can transpose up/Down .. And use the same Patern on a diff inst, as A bridge or something.

So , MIDI out from Gear into DAW , MIDI out from DAW back into Gear. Then When your ready to commit , Audio out from Gear into DAW. you should NEVER EVER commit to any Audio untill its PERFECT.

Borat wrote:

beach_break wrote:just use your MPC for midi recording and editing. much simpler than bothering with MIDI, DAWs and soundcards.

There is something I still don't understand with this, if for example I use my MPC to sequence sounds from the JV using MIDI , how can I track out those sequences and have the sounds of the JV? If I can't do this, I don't see the point of sequencing MIDI with the MPC?

Well , If you set your pads to Chromatically Scale Starting on C1 then you could use the MPC as a master controller.. You could use note repeat and change time sigs on hats and swag out snare rolls using pitch bend.. you could stack pads to play Chords with 1 finger.. you could Actually be Human and not play perfect yet , MIDI its very easy to nudge.

Anymore questions?

beach_break wrote:same as the way you track out your mpc and other instruments - stick a cable in the audio out on the jv, and the other end to audio in on the soundcard.

Ok, I didn't know that!

ghosty wrote:

Borat wrote:

beach_break wrote:just use your MPC for midi recording and editing. much simpler than bothering with MIDI, DAWs and soundcards.

There is something I still don't understand with this, if for example I use my MPC to sequence sounds from the JV using MIDI , how can I track out those sequences and have the sounds of the JV? If I can't do this, I don't see the point of sequencing MIDI with the MPC?

Well , If you set your pads to Chromatically Scale Starting on C1 then you could use the MPC as a master controller.. You could use note repeat and change time sigs on hats and swag out snare rolls using pitch bend.. you could stack pads to play Chords with 1 finger.. you could Actually be Human and not play perfect yet , MIDI its very easy to nudge.

Anymore questions?

No, I think I unterstand now. Thanks everybody for the help!

Borat wrote:What I'd like to do is record in MIDI the sounds from the JV in my DAW(Reaper). !

How I'm reading this, I stand by my earlier answer.

Perhaps the question wasn't worded properly...

What I meant is that you can't record sounds in midi.

Yes, you can record MIDI data, but to record the audio itself via MIDI, is not possible.

how are you liking the jv1010? they seem like they'd work really well with a mpc for a minimal studio.

beach_break wrote:how are you liking the jv1010? they seem like they'd work really well with a mpc for a minimal studio.

I haven't used it a lot, at least for recording. I mostly use it for keyboard playing/training. It has some quite good sounds(strings, vibes, a few synths and basses) but some are not that good(I don't like the rhodes at all, the organs are not really good). But I would say that now, you can get really better sounds with VST's.

it's a synth - don't judge it on the presets.