How to make a Beat! - Hip Hop - Laziness vs Creativity

a lotta bs if u ask me

peeps equating time spent on a beat to how dope it is.


if u have no skills then it will take u longer to make something noteworthy, madlib and dilla would do beats in 10 mins or less and shit will be fiyah.

certainly when ur style is less developed then spending more time on it is beneficial.

u dont need no emotional connection to a beat thats some flowers shit, and that will spend time polishing a turd.

cos in ur mind u think it is a masterpiece so alot of peeps decive themselves and make they beats better then they actually are.

Now that is some serious history. When the Yamaha RX drums machines had that horrible "dog bark" sample!

"u dont need no emotional connection to a beat thats some flowers ****"

Like I said, I probably represent a small sector... Maybe I'm just ol skool. I thought music and emotion goes hand in hand! Producers today rely on pre-programmed sounds that someone else created and named. As soon as the sounds get old, they need a new keyboard (or software) with more sounds. You don't think the sounds have emotion? They each have a name for a reason...
Dilla can make a beat in 5 minutes because he developed and mastered his style. This took (1) time and (2) dedication. Most people make 5 minute beats like Dilla because they copy what he already did..they are not displaying anything original. An innovator has to convince and wait for the people to like something...a duplicator immediately knows what the people are going to like.

"To me asking that is like asking 'how do you know this kick will sound good with that snare?"

Nahh..we all know if I kick can match a snare, but to know the drums are going to match the sample you eventually find also means there is no emotional connection that the producer has with the music. I know some people that can lose a beat, and re-make it again. Personally, I think this is horrible. If you can remake a beat, you probably didn't invest much time into it in the first place.
Oh well, to each his own. Majority rules...You all win! 5 minute beat-makers prevail! No one is going to sell beats for $50.00 ..unless they really invested $1 of their time, and no one should complain about not getting support when another "producer" is making beats just like yours...but giving it away for free. Remember, Digital media is free! The nice album cover design might convince people to download the album, but the MUSIC is what will make the people play it twice, buy your t-shirt, or go to your show!

"u dont need no emotional connection to a beat thats some flowers ****"

i've known your posts/work long enough to respect them both, and i really question whether you actually believe what you just wrote. it's one thing to mislead yourself into thinking you're brilliant and it's another to hear something in your music that makes your hair stand on end and skin tingle. if developing an emotional connection to one's beat makes it "flowers shit" then i reckon this forum should formally declare a gay district (i mean we already have the off topic section)

i absolutely need an emotional connection to a beat if i'm going to actually finish it and turn it into an instrumental song that is intended to have a strong impact on a listener. without the emotional connection/investment, a beat never moves beyond a simple looped chopped sample with some drums and maybe a bassline.

Here's the nail.

Nym hit it on the head...


I'd be in front of this gay pride parade on a rainbow scooter wavin' my big 'ole gay pride flag





How can you expect anyone to have a emotional connection (or even a physical reaction) to your music if it doesn't even do it to you, the creator?

The only flowers shit is jpeg's constant cupping of the burger kangz nuts.

To me emotion is the thing that catch my attention in the original (were I sample from). Its something that hit me and "talk to my soul". Its how this horn is played or how this guitar is played. It can be ssomething like 16 bars long or just 3 notes. And either I want to keep that emotion and mix it with stuff with the same vibe off of other songs or I create a complete different emotionjust by finding a looppoint that is not a typical "from downbeat to 4".
Emotion is THE motor.

peace

Well there you go...


you sir, get a yellow vespa

@ coz ur moms a dirty hoe and pops is a fag, dont **** around son



now in all seriousness ur right there is an emotional content to sound and music however that emotion is not determined by the amount of hours spent on a beat.

as someone mentioned capturing the inspiration or vibe quickly can a produced a more potent honest expression then a beat that ur labour over for 5 or six hours, cos then shit can get contrived.

i realise there are no absolutes but again i recall storeis of dilla and wajeed doing beat drills where they would make a track in 10 mins not sequenced but the basic loop for the chorus and verse in 10 mins and the shit would sound incredible.

like one track on welcome to detroit with phat kat dude made that beat in 10 mins but is straight hard body fly shit, but dilla can do a a quick beat and have it be amazing cos he has already attained a certain level of skill.

but a cat who downloaded fruit loops 2 weeks ago and wants to make beats in 10 minutes may not have the fundemental skills.

Thus his 10 minute beats may come out wack and he'd prolly be better served spending time developing his craft and his sound.

but yeah not every track is a master work if avery artist were to treat each sketch as if it were a magnum opus then most of these cats would have no body of work but yes there is a balance to be struck

If you've never created music that amazed yourself to the point where you can listen to the same song for hours, then you may not understand what I'm talking about. I don't do it often, but when I do, it makes me feel really good. To me, this is the ULTIMATE reward for my time. The feeling when I've pushed my abilities is my drug of choice! This is what I look for in myself, so I do the same with others. There is no way you can feel this same way by simply making a "dope beat" if all the beat is a minimally chopped sample loop with some boom baps! No matter how fantastic it sounds to the people, it should not make YOU proud.
Taking the time to do what a beat deserves is the emotional connection I'm talking about. Just because you load a your favorite drum kit, doesn't mean that those sounds are correct for every beat. The beat needs a guitar riff, so the first one you come across is the right one?? Maybe the samples can't cut it, wouldn't a real guitar player be better? Fuggit..real players cost money! Your beat doesn't deserve it? Its not about the money, or the time, its about the feeling.

I'm out.

jpeg wrote:@ coz ur moms a dirty hoe and pops is a fag, dont **** around son

Hit a nerve??

what uve described can equally be obtained from a beat done quick, sometimes the needle drops on the right groove and u end up making that ill shit.

and the drums u have loaded up just happend to go perfect with the sample.

some times u make an ill be at its just 2 chops or it may just be a loop so u cant front on that

i will never understand why anyone would want to rush some shit out when it comes to making music. say you made a beat you think is dope in 10 minutes. imagine if you spent an extra hour or two or day or two polishing that skeleton of a beat into a masterpiece. you started out with a dope 8 bar sequence. it's dope on it's own. but what about layering some sax on it? what about going in and playing some keys. i'm not saying every track you make has to be a masterpiece but why sell yourself short? people actin like your skill is only demonstrated by how quickly you bang out beats. that shit is juvenile to me.