Making E-mu SP-1200 samples for MPC

thx wrote:

cyrus wrote:Not trying to sound like a dick. But its not me who gonna drop money on an sp and realize it was a waste of my time. If you really want an sp and want that sound, thats cool. get one, use it, have fun. but if you are looking for that magic answer, there really isn't one.
It ain't no magic, its hard work, persistance, and ears.

the sp1200 is a great machine
my favorite sampler
i got a 1993 reissue black 7030 with the original analog filters (ssm2044 chip) and i love to make beats on that machine, the sp1200 has a 12bit resolution so if you sample the sound with an mpc or a DAW you get 16bit resolution, so the sound isn't really the same
i usually do my sequences, truncations and loops in the sp1200 but recently i've tried to sequence and trigger the sp samples with an mpc2000 classic so i can control 3 machines with one (the mpc got 2 midi outs, a + b, 1 for the sp and the other for another sampler or synth or whatever)
but the sp1200 sequencer got a really good groove so i prefere to work with it
the mpc got a better sequencer but a different feeling

yeah, not knockin the sp or the idea of using to get a particular sound, just saying............OP sounding like he's looking for some magic answer.

The answer to your prayers and worth every penny!!!

All 1 hits, bass, weird sounds and samples created using the SP-1200

http://iceman1.bandcamp.com/album/icema ... the-sp1200

you can use them in any sampler you want. these sounds are the real deal, not some software or effect trying to replicate the SP-1200 sound. these are all sounds sampled into the SP-1200 and recorded out for producers to use on whatever hardware, software, etc... they are using to produce music.

Read rule #6 nod...rule #6


But thank you for the heads up, I will check those out.

damn

you gotta be a lawyer to post up in this forum these days. rules from the moderators, rules from the people posting. Damn!

well to the og poster, do yourself a favor and at least go listen to them. and do yourself a bigger favor and cop them and add them to your sample library. you can't go wrong with raw SP-1200 1 hits, no matter how you look at it.

either way, at least i tried to help. that's all that counts.

why not just skip all the steps and "midi sync" the sp to your mpc?

use your mpc for the sequencer....use the sp for its "sound."

or you could do the reverse of that, which is what i would do.

midi the MPC to the SP-1200. have the SP-1200 the Master and the MPC the slave. that way you can use the SP for drums, stabs and as your sequencer and for longer samples, synths, stabs, etc... you have the MPC as a sound module. check out this video. that's how nick wiz has it set-up. it's murder!

NICK WIZ BEAT IN THE MAKING PT 2 FEATURING PHANTASM SP-1200 & MPC 2000XL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOI5B_LLSV8

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Yeeeeaaahhh

To answer dudes question yes SORTA it can, and yes I have done it. Although I used a SP12. So anyways the question was will it sound the same. Yes and No. First off the Pitch shift on the sp cannot or at least has not been mimicked. So say you sample a Horn Hit on the Sp, and sample that sound into a MPC when playing that sound back in the MPC at different keys it will not sound the same, if you were playing the same keys and same sample in a SP.

So if you were to sample a sound that you need to play chromatically than you would need to sample each note for it to sound like a sp.

Also The Sample that you record into the Sp then sample into the MPC, will change slightly because of the noise floor of the MPC compared to the SP and The MPC will also add its own color to the sound. For instance the noise will still be in the sample but it will not be in the silent portions of the track.

Also there is things like Filter, out puts, Timeing, ADSR, Dirty Pots, Crackles, ect.....So....

I heard if you use a sanding Dremel on your pots this makes the sound dirty and gritty. Not sure how true this is though I've yet to try it.

But, once you've used the Dremel on your pots you need to lubricate with anal lube to get the clean sound back again.

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lol


http://soundcloud.com/thx-wc/sets/sp1200-beats/
http://www.autistici.org/2000-maniax/music/sp%20beats/

if you like the sounds you can use it with your samplers (some are mp3s, most are wavs)
enjoy

i would like to make a sp1200 samples collection
when i'll got the time to record the samples with the zoom h4n into my pc in wav format i'll let you know, ok?

I used to have SP. I experimented with sampling SP-->MPC.
It works for the most part. I experimented with syncing the two as well.
For me, it wasn't worth it, because I realized speed and ease of work flow was more important to me.

If you want the SP sound though, just use a SP. That's where the real sound is.
And the built in filters and even the sequencer and the machine's limitations are part of "that" sound.

I owned a 60 and a SP at different times. I loved the way each of them sounded...but the O/S just never did jive with me on either.
The MPC2KXL is just set up the way my brain works...which is why I still have two of em, and sold the SP and 60 eventually.

itchyvinyl wrote:
If you want the SP sound though, just use a SP. That's where the real sound is.

Boom! That sums it up...no other answers needed.

MAD-tentacles wrote:
LET'S SAYYY:
I have an E-mu SP-1200.
I listen to ALBUM-X on my turntable until I find a sweet kick drum hit that I would like to sample.
I set my turntable to 45rpm+8% and sample the short kick hit with the SP-1200.
I pitch the sample back down to the original (approximately).
I press the pad/button on the SP-1200 (triggering the kick sample) and record it with Pro Tools.
I fine-trim the sample in Pro Tools and export the finished copy as a WAV file.
I move the WAV file from my computer to my MPC.
I load-up the sample in my MPC and have captured (even if it's not exactly like the SP-1200) an SP-1200 kick.
I can now trigger this kick that was originally sampled with an SP-1200 - on my MPC.

Is this process possible? Is there a reason why this general process would not be ideal?

I've read that the real punch of the original SP sample would be lost somewhere during a transfer of this kind. I'm curious more to know if the sample would retain the SP-1200's signature "color" and "texture."

Thanks guys!

ok

- 1 -
the sp1200 got 12 bit resolution
the mpc(s) got higher resolution

- 2 -
the sp (first model and first reissue) got sm2044 idiosyncratic chips that supplies analog VCF filters
the mpc haven't those chips

- 3 -
the mpc and the sp got different AD/DA converters

so the sound is totally different (the sp got a grittier and dirtier sound)

here are some samples i recorded today using the zoom h4n digital recorder
then i truncated the samples in my pc with steinberg wavelab (16bit 44.100 hz) :

thx sp1200 samples 1 (5.89 mb)

some samples are really noisy, sorry

if you got problems loading the samples in the mpc use this samples converter:
http://www.autistici.org/2000-maniax/mp ... Wavsnd.exe
just place it in a folder and drag the wav samples into the wavsend icon
you'll get the .snd samples for the mpc.

you can load the samples and test the results with the mpc filters/FX and/or tune them, make chops, etc...

i'll upload other samples next days...
recording/truncate samples in the pc is a long process that request some time, sorry

don't get offended...
this place is full of people that can help you find the correct answers you need.
just ask gently

Why would you choose to not use the SP sequencer if you were to get one? That's the dumbest thing I've heard. It's one of the great things about the SP imo. As someone said, MIDI it up and use your MPC as sound module for longer samples, much like the S950 is used with the SP. Good luck.

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of course i use the sp sequencer
but sometimes i sequence the sounds with the mpc
if i want to trigger the samples for finger drumming i use the mpc or the mpd24