Midi Controller for use with track mixer window

OK 2 questions:

1) Can you use a midi controller with the mpc to control the track mixer functions in jjosxl2? I searched and found some info, but I specifically want to know if it'd be possible to control the level of each track, aswell as the internal fx sends of each track all from a midi controller?

2) If this is possible, can anyone recommend a midi controller that would be suitable? Ideally I want something with 8 faders and 8 pots that I'd use to ride levels and spot fx on tracks in the track mixer window?

Thanks

that would be badass, i dont have any idea how it would work though, maybe check to see if the faders are midi assignable.

http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~mpc1000/os2xl/mixer.htm

Any MIDI controller with knobs or sliders will work as long as you assign CC#7 for LEVEL and CC#10 for PAN.
Each track (only tracks 1-16 are assignable) require the respective MIDI channel for each track.
EX: Track 1 is controlled by MIDI channel 1, Track 2 is MIDI channel 2, etc.
The most suitable MIDI controller for this task would be more of a personal preference these days, as most controllers are fully assignable for MIDI CC's. Read the specs on whatever controller you'd prefer working with before deciding what to buy. Theres so many controllers out there that it's really up to you to make the choice as to what works best for all of your needs.

distortedtekno wrote:http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~mpc1000/os2xl/mixer.htm

Any MIDI controller with knobs or sliders will work as long as you assign CC#7 for LEVEL and CC#10 for PAN.
Each track (only tracks 1-16 are assignable) require the respective MIDI channel for each track.
EX: Track 1 is controlled by MIDI channel 1, Track 2 is MIDI channel 2, etc.
The most suitable MIDI controller for this task would be more of a personal preference these days, as most controllers are fully assignable for MIDI CC's. Read the specs on whatever controller you'd prefer working with before deciding what to buy. Theres so many controllers out there that it's really up to you to make the choice as to what works best for all of your needs.

Awesome thanks for the replies. Do you know if there is any way I can assign FX sends to knobs? For spot delays on individual tracks etc?
Am trying to work out some more intersting options for live MPC performance.

Many Thanks

Si-Tone wrote:

distortedtekno wrote:http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~mpc1000/os2xl/mixer.htm

Any MIDI controller with knobs or sliders will work as long as you assign CC#7 for LEVEL and CC#10 for PAN.
Each track (only tracks 1-16 are assignable) require the respective MIDI channel for each track.
EX: Track 1 is controlled by MIDI channel 1, Track 2 is MIDI channel 2, etc.
The most suitable MIDI controller for this task would be more of a personal preference these days, as most controllers are fully assignable for MIDI CC's. Read the specs on whatever controller you'd prefer working with before deciding what to buy. Theres so many controllers out there that it's really up to you to make the choice as to what works best for all of your needs.

Awesome thanks for the replies. Do you know if there is any way I can assign FX sends to knobs? For spot delays on individual tracks etc?
Am trying to work out some more intersting options for live MPC performance.

Many Thanks

No problem. As far as controlling FX, it's rather limited but yet still useful...
http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~mpc1000/os2xl/cc-fx.htm

For faders and dials you could use a Behringer BCF2000. The Behringer controllers are awesome. You can program the whole device - on the device - no need for editing software.

That would work fine for 8 channels. Having say ch9-16 on a 2nd preset could be a problems as the controls/levels on the MPC & BCF will be out of sync when you switch between presets - that will be the same with any controller as the MPC doesn't send updates.

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I'm using Behringer bcn44 - which only has 4 endless dials (+ buttons etc but I haven't done anything with them yet) - but is fairly compact. So I've split up the 16 track mixer channels over the first 4 presets - channels 1-4/5-8/9-12/13-16 etc.

I find it really helpful having direct access to another level of mixing in-the-box before I even get to the 6 outs on my 1000.

Combined with the upcoming JJ pad-pattern mode it will be ultimate destruction.

catfingers wrote:For faders and dials you could use a Behringer BCF2000. The Behringer controllers are awesome. You can program the whole device - on the device - no need for editing software.

That would work fine for 8 channels. Having say ch9-16 on a 2nd preset could be a problems as the controls/levels on the MPC & BCF will be out of sync when you switch between presets - that will be the same with any controller as the MPC doesn't send updates.

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I'm using Behringer bcn44 - which only has 4 endless dials (+ buttons etc but I haven't done anything with them yet) - but is fairly compact. So I've split up the 16 track mixer channels over the first 4 presets - channels 1-4/5-8/9-12/13-16 etc.

I find it really helpful having direct access to another level of mixing in-the-box before I even get to the 6 outs on my 1000.

Combined with the upcoming JJ pad-pattern mode it will be ultimate destruction.

The Behringer BCR2000 and BCF2000 are greatly designed units, but build from poor components. The encoders on my BCRR2000 tends to die without being molested.

The Behringer BCR2000 and BCF2000 are greatly designed units, but build from poor components. The encoders on my BCRR2000 tends to die without being molested.

ah, interesting - maybe there's some difference between batches (like Presonus gear seems to suffer from) - my BCR 2000 was pretty well-used when I gave it to a friend & everything still worked. I would have expected BCF faders to die quicker than rotaries.

Thanks again for the help. So 1 more question. I dont use a laptop for live use, so will need something with midi outputs right? As opposed to midi over usb? Or is there another way to get usb out of say a Korg NanoKontrol, into the midi in of the Mpc. Maybe a converter cable of some sort?

Looks like itll be a great to have a controller with faders on stage with me!

cheers

Si-Tone wrote:Or is there another way to get usb out of say a Korg NanoKontrol, into the midi in of the Mpc. Maybe a converter cable of some sort?

there´s no other way than using a computer as a host then. a usb to midi cable will NOT work!

but dont some of these come with a traditional midi cable? and for power, do they have regular wall wort or are these usb powered? obviously its prob differant for each manufacturer.

but if they are usb powered maybe a usb to wall plug chord would work (like the ones for phones)?

i think the nanocontrol comes with a traditional midi adapter.

cyrus wrote:but dont some of these come with a traditional midi cable? and for power, do they have regular wall wort or are these usb powered? obviously its prob differant for each manufacturer.

but if they are usb powered maybe a usb to wall plug chord would work (like the ones for phones)?

i think the nanocontrol comes with a traditional midi adapter.

The Behringer BCR/BCF units have MIDI IN, OUT, and THRU and also MIDI over USB for PC/Mac software. They need a regular AC plug (No DC wall wort) to operate with USB or MIDI.

I've had my BCF2000 work fine for 5 years now, but it doesn't ever leave the house, and yes the encoders are about as cheap as they could possibly be. But for the price they are decent controllers.

The Korg nano stuff is USB only, and I'm pretty sure they are only USB bus powered. (my nanoPAD is packed away right now)

The Behringer BCR/BCF units have MIDI IN, OUT, and THRU and also MIDI over USB for PC/Mac software. They need a regular AC plug (No DC wall wort) to operate with USB or MIDI.

I've had my BCF2000 work fine for 5 years now, but it doesn't ever leave the house, and yes the encoders are about as cheap as they could possibly be. But for the price they are decent controllers.

The Korg nano stuff is USB only, and I'm pretty sure they are only USB bus powered. (my nanoPAD is packed away right now)

Cool thanks. Just looking for something cheaper than the BCF. I dont really need motorised faders etc. Just 8 or 16 knobs, 8 faders and midi outputs not usb. Its just to control track levels, pans, and fx in the mpc. The rest I can do on the mp itself. Anyone got any suggestions?

Si-Tone, the only unit that I can think of that has 8 knobs and 8 faders with standard MIDI plugs is the Evolution UC-33. Unfortunately the retail price on these units has never really dropped, even though they've been out for years. They actually cost the same or more the a BCF2000. (I've seen BCF's on sale for $149USD). I do however see used UC-33's in $100 range, which is a much more reasonable price for what the UC-33 is.

Metatron72 wrote:Si-Tone, the only unit that I can think of that has 8 knobs and 8 faders with standard MIDI plugs is the Evolution UC-33. Unfortunately the retail price on these units has never really dropped, even though they've been out for years. They actually cost the same or more the a BCF2000. (I've seen BCF's on sale for $149USD). I do however see used UC-33's in $100 range, which is a much more reasonable price for what the UC-33 is.

Thanks for that. Ill look into both these options. Cheers for all your help