Any of ya'll sample with a belt drive TT?

Well? Do ya?

I'm in the market for a new TT and am considering a BD, but think it'd be nice to have the DD to preview changes in pitch before sampling...what do ya'll use?

I use a belt drive turn table. I figure since I don't Dj... It shouldn't matter.

dd

all the older songs on my page were made with a real low end k mart belt drive. ive upgraded since then, but it got the job done

Doesn't really matter. Just like the ddtt it has to be a good one. I collected some TT back in the 90s (ok that was more HiFi stuff and not DJ TT) and there were dd turntables that really suck and bd TT that get the job done.
You should test the TT before buying. Dont buy untested.

peace

True...I know it's all pretty subjective. Looking around for a retailer that carries more than just the usual DJ stuff so I can check some out.

Was just curious how many people use the pitch shift all the time when sampling, or how many never do... I haven't had a TT that had it before and I can see it's convenience, but not sure if it's something I'll really use.

b.read wrote:True...I know it's all pretty subjective. Looking around for a retailer that carries more than just the usual DJ stuff so I can check some out.

Was just curious how many people use the pitch shift all the time when sampling, or how many never do... I haven't had a TT that had it before and I can see it's convenience, but not sure if it's something I'll really use.

?? PitchinShift is not a privileg of direct drive TTs

peace

I'm heavy handed with vinyl so I like having loads of torque so I don't stop the platter by being drunk and/or clumsy! I think the Stanton I use has nearly double the torque of Technics, plus a massive pitch range (which gets used constantly) and also a reverse button. It's the perfect sampling deck for me.

peterpiper wrote:

b.read wrote:True...I know it's all pretty subjective. Looking around for a retailer that carries more than just the usual DJ stuff so I can check some out.

Was just curious how many people use the pitch shift all the time when sampling, or how many never do... I haven't had a TT that had it before and I can see it's convenience, but not sure if it's something I'll really use.

?? PitchinShift is not a privileg of direct drive TTs

peace

you know what I'm talkin' about! "pitch control" then...lmao

b.read wrote:

peterpiper wrote:

b.read wrote:...Was just curious how many people use the pitch shift all the time when sampling, or how many never do... I haven't had a TT that had it before and I can see it's convenience, but not sure if it's something I'll really use.

?? PitchinShift is not a privileg of direct drive TTs
peace

you know what I'm talkin' about! "pitch control" then...lmao

hrmmm...nope, not following you.

pitch shift / pitch control (more correct term) can be found on many turntables, belt drive or direct. it doesnt matter.

can i ask what your understanding of the relationship between belt drive and pitch control is? i think you've got something very confused.

and djing aside, all the 'audiophile' turntables are belt drive - more constant pitch (but i mean we are talking nano-differences here, something that really shouldn't concern you if you are sampling). my point is, a belt drive turntable can provide excellent results for sampling...the drive type doesn't have much to do with just playback.

All of the bd tables I've seen only allow speeds of 33 or 45....I was not aware that they existed with pitch control, and though that pitch control was a luxury of strictly dd tables. Got any links to bd tables with it?

Since that's the case, what the thread should really be titled would be:

Who can't live without pitch control when sampling?

Coz wrote:I'm heavy handed with vinyl so I like having loads of torque so I don't stop the platter by being drunk and/or clumsy! I think the Stanton I use has nearly double the torque of Technics, plus a massive pitch range (which gets used constantly) and also a reverse button. It's the perfect sampling deck for me.

Thank you for the input sir which stanton do you have?

^^ he's probably talking about the str8-100s or str8-150s ....nowadays they are the 't' series (t.80 i think replaced the str8-100 which is a friggin joke, as the str8-100 was basically a str8-150 with a different pitch range and no start/stop speed adjustment, while the t series are completely different).

yes, belt drive turntables can come with pitch control. the first pair i had (not matching) were some random consumer brand and then some random technics deck...not a 1200. anyway, both of them were belt drive and both had pitch control. i'm sorry i dont have the exact model, but i find talking about exact models in terms of vintage, garage sale electronics is kind of pointless because you are going to find what you are going to find...knowwhatimsayin?

ok so to answer your modified question, pitch control might help you only if you want to 'tune' your sample before hand...or do some weird 'vintage' trick like is so popular to do on the sp1200 (sample at higher speed, then pitch down in the sampler to save memory).
otherwise, the pitch control doesn't offer you really anything else that the tuning param in your sampler won't. it will sound slightly different, sure, but again i think that's splitting hairs.

id say, stay on the lookout for any turntable you can find that looks like it's in good shape. of course, bone up on the 'good' brand names, but dont let some internet rumor make you pass on a sweet little $10 belt-drive-no-pitch-having-no-name-brand tt.
i think a good cartridge / pre would do much better for your sound anyway.

b.read wrote:

Coz wrote:I'm heavy handed with vinyl so I like having loads of torque so I don't stop the platter by being drunk and/or clumsy! I think the Stanton I use has nearly double the torque of Technics, plus a massive pitch range (which gets used constantly) and also a reverse button. It's the perfect sampling deck for me.

Thank you for the input sir which stanton do you have?

It's the STR8-150.

I bought a USB belt drive deck but I sent it back and bought the Stanton off eBay for a similar price. Really nice investment.

tapedeck wrote:^^ he's probably talking about the str8-100s or str8-150s ....nowadays they are the 't' series (t.80 i think replaced the str8-100 which is a friggin joke, as the str8-100 was basically a str8-150 with a different pitch range and no start/stop speed adjustment, while the t series are completely different).

yes, belt drive turntables can come with pitch control. the first pair i had (not matching) were some random consumer brand and then some random technics deck...not a 1200. anyway, both of them were belt drive and both had pitch control. i'm sorry i dont have the exact model, but i find talking about exact models in terms of vintage, garage sale electronics is kind of pointless because you are going to find what you are going to find...knowwhatimsayin?

ok so to answer your modified question, pitch control might help you only if you want to 'tune' your sample before hand...or do some weird 'vintage' trick like is so popular to do on the sp1200 (sample at higher speed, then pitch down in the sampler to save memory).
otherwise, the pitch control doesn't offer you really anything else that the tuning param in your sampler won't. it will sound slightly different, sure, but again i think that's splitting hairs.

id say, stay on the lookout for any turntable you can find that looks like it's in good shape. of course, bone up on the 'good' brand names, but dont let some internet rumor make you pass on a sweet little $10 belt-drive-no-pitch-having-no-name-brand tt.
i think a good cartridge / pre would do much better for your sound anyway.

I know what you mean...talking about specific models from way back when is like running around in circles. I'm looking to buy new, something that will last a good while and have potential for upgrading later on down the road.

As for pitch control, this feature is one that stuck out at as merely a way to preview changes in pitch before sampling into the mpc...not anything that would be used in the final product as I would end up sampling at normal speed and changing pitch in the mpc.

I find that there have been a handful of times that I'll hear something I want to work with, but the pitch must be changed in order to make it work. I'll sample it in, trim my loop and change the pitch and then hate it. A TT with pitch control would be a definite time saver in these cases... I would like to have a belt driven TT, but thought I had to sacrifice that for the pitch control for it and get a DD table. Know I know I can have my cake and eat it too.

That is if I can find one that doesn't cost an arm and a leg...