hard panning

to all those crackheaded engineers who thought it was a good idea to pan different instruments hard left/right on vinyl in years gone by...

this one's for you, thanks for making my life that much more fun

hey, it aint as bad as some of those "in percussive stereo" records...

^ explain?

no it's not bad at all, it's GREAT
pickins are that much better
oh, what's that? an awesome guitar lick? oh, too bad there's drums too OH WAIT, it's just on the left channel so scooooop, YOU gonna make me some looooot

Nym wrote:^ explain?

no it's not bad at all, it's GREAT
pickins are that much better
oh, what's that? an awesome guitar lick? oh, too bad there's drums too OH WAIT, it's just on the left channel so scooooop, YOU gonna make me some looooot

ahh I see what you mean.. yeah I have some stereo records that really tried showcasing the stereo effect like that... and I agree, but for general listening I find it a bit much especially using headphones.

the in percussive stereo records were sort of a niche thing I have seen on a few of my records in my collection... and they basically were total douchebags with the panning... picture strong panning back and forth with so much attack on the panning curve that it could be deemed "percussive" lmao...

You will find this alot on Motown releases from the 70's. Horns and other instruments(Guitar, strings, piano) always came in from the right, while drums and bass left. Most times it makes it great to sample, but sometimes when the vocal is dead center it **** my life.

I can appreciate why the Beatles mono box set is in high demand... The stereo versions can be majorly disorientating to listen to in parts.

I agree though, those old panning techniques make for easy sampling.

The limitations of the analog days

miles davis - bitches brew - he was really experimenting with the stereo field on this one.

I had this one percussive stereo record.. it's been quite some time since I listened to it but .. if I remember correctly, they had brass (trumpet I think, or some sort of horn) on the left, and latin percussion on the right.. hard panned 100%.. but rhythmically the left and right would switch.

it's like those 4 channel records that you need the 4 channel turntable and stereo... and they would revolve the sound around you in a circle.. they really experimented back then hahaha.

Nym wrote: oh, too bad there's drums too

I prefer "drum-less samples" as well. There are times when I'll grab something with minor percussive elements going on but I tend to stay away from full on, hard hitting drum sounds within the sample itself.

mr_debauch wrote: they really experimented back then hahaha.

Yeah they sure did LOL....I was listening to an engineer talk about this a few weeks back...actually if I remember correctly it was Bruce Swedien and Dave Pensado on Pensado's Place....he mentioned how the same sort of experimentation is going on with surround sound mixing today...and he hates it. -don't quote me on it being the Swedien interview but I do remember hearing that from a mixing engineer recently.

one of my favorite records and a good exapmle for this is "Ramsey Lewis - Where is the love."

It's strange on headphones but on a nice system you feel like the band is right in front of you from far left to faaar right

A lot of old mixing boards only had 3 pan options, L, C, and R. I've heard an interview with Jimmy Douglas where he talks about it, and says it works on analog concoles because of the analog sonics that glue everything together and bring the hard panned tracks sounding closer. But it doesnt work so well on digital without that glue. It makes it sound empty without anything in between.

haha that sounds a little like hocus pocus to me...unless we're talking about crossover (that thin and reedy sound of the other channel that you get when sampling a hard-panned turntable)

i actually like how some of the old records are panned

besides making it easier to sample, it feels like your in the middle of all the action. seems more natural sometimes.

Ya them old records are f*** great for my purposes. Also it does leave stuff room to "breath"..
Might take some getting used to with headphones... but not for me.. I love it