mpc60, mpc3000, sp1200 emulation on JJOS

what if this was possible? what if you could make JJOS emulate the sound of the mpc3000, mpc60, or sp1200 ? both sound and sequencer swing/reso ? (as effect, or 'global mode')

not sure if its possible but its worth this post!

+1 for mpc60, mpc3000, sp1200 emulation on JJOS

cyrus wrote:what if this was possible? what if you could make JJOS emulate the sound of the mpc3000, mpc60, or sp1200 ? both sound and sequencer swing/reso ? (as effect, or 'global mode')

not sure if its possible but its worth this post!

+1 for mpc60, mpc3000, sp1200 emulation on JJOS

I was just reading your posts in the virtual MPC thread, you have some great ideas as far as untapped possibilities or what could potentially be done. I always enjoy your posts, they really get the mind going on what's possible or desirable .

I don't know, isn't JJ already pushing the limited OS memory available to the max? I'm thinking about things like the q-link limitation in XL. He wouldn't have have done that unless he had to, based on the limitations on the available OS memory.
Of course what you describe would be dependent on the CPU doing the calculations, and then I suppose it's a matter of is it a non destructive thing, destructive, or both? I don't know how much CPU/RAM/Space in The OS is available to implement this in any or all those ways, I'm just not savvy enough about the technicalities of it.

The swing thing seems like it would be easier to do. That's a weird one though, because hasn't Linn himself said he doesn't think there's anything special about the 60/3000 swing? Of course a majority of MPC users and hip hop listeners over a 20+ year period seem to disagree. But if JJ could determine what it is we find different about the old units compared to MPC's from the 2000 series and beyond, he probably could put some alternate MIDI timing mode in there.

Back to the audio thing, I guess the Battery/Maschine emulations, the SP mode in BPM and the old SD1200 VST, are all we have to determine if an emulation can be convincing or worthwhile. I don't think any of them sound like the real thing, but that doesn't mean they sound bad. Some of the general character of the what they're emulating comes through. Exact emulation is definitely a holy grail mark to aim for, but a less than 100% emulation wouldn't stop me from using it.

Like I said, you always get my mind reeling at possibilities Cyrus.

cyrus wrote:what if this was possible? what if you could make JJOS emulate the sound of the mpc3000, mpc60, or sp1200 ? both sound and sequencer swing/reso ? (as effect, or 'global mode')

not sure if its possible but its worth this post!

+1 for mpc60, mpc3000, sp1200 emulation on JJOS

I think that would be a great especially when newer software has these emulations. It seems only natural that newer MPCs would have their own emulations too, at least of the 60 and 3000; an sp1200 emulation would be the icing on the cake. But can JJ pull it off and make it work in a way that doesn't take away features we already have and/or add too much strain on the cpu? That is the question...

As far as sound goes, an sp1200 emulation (mpc 60 or 3000) can be another option in the bit reduction screen (though I don't know how much different an sp1200 emulation would be compared to the 12bit effect that's already available) or maybe even add an sp1200 effect to the record screen so that as audio is recorded it's recorded with the sp1200 emulation.

For timing, maybe JJ could make some kind of templates to use in the t.c. screen. Trying to figure out what made their groove special is the hard part.

Seems like it could be possible

Since the limitations of those samplers are responsible for the sound too: what about an emulation mode that let you only sample 2,5 sec at a time or let you pitch/tune only in a +/- 10 semitones and a polyphony of 8 or 10. ?

I'm serious

peace

having the option to sample in 32khz would be dope.

**** wrote:having the option to sample in 32khz would be dope.

that would be.

What if it was a non destructive option? like we can have the pad play 'stereo','L','R','L+R',then maybe have a bit change column in pgm mode with 'mpc60','sp1200',12bit,32hz,etc. AND take all the bit change options out of the edit screen. So in pgm mode you'd have a column with the emulation and the normal bit change stuff, you could also open window on the values to fine tune settings. Not sure if that would be too cpu intensive?

either that or maybe a global setting for the entire pgm?

I would want a non destructive option.

peterpiper wrote:Since the limitations of those samplers are responsible for the sound too: what about an emulation mode that let you only sample 2,5 sec at a time or let you pitch/tune only in a +/- 10 semitones and a polyphony of 8 or 10. ?

I'm serious

peace

That would be interesting. forcing you into that workflow to get that original boom bap workflow

Great idea, but I don't think DSP is JJ's forte.

^^^OK, so what about some kind of compromise to accomplish this? 2 new features to get close to 'emulation' of these classics:

1. non destructive bit convert column in pgm mode with all the current options(bit,rate). Then in addition (if possible) add an option for emulation of mpc60,mpc3000,sp1200,s950(whatever is possible).

2. add a global option (mode+pad10) for the sequencer resolution. it would allow you to change the sequencer resolution. and (if possible) also add the sequencer emulation/mode/algorythm - changing the sequencer to emulate the mpc60,mpc3000,sp1200, (whatever is possible).

what do you think?

of course this suggestion is with limited knowledge of whats actually happening with the sequencer resolutions and bits/rates, etc. on these machines. but it seems possible, no? at bare minimum i would like non destructive bit convert added to pgm mode with the current options - like the 'sound' playback column in pgm mode (with or without emulation).


peace

Not entirely related, but an option to just change the sample rate to any frequency would be awesome.

Maybe it could be added to the fx page, but it would be cool to be able to q-link it.

I love the aliasing effect you get at low sample rates.

sorry to jump in the middle of discussion:

i've got MPC3000 LE , SP1200,akai S950
and MPC1000 JJ OS2XL

so i can compare all 4 with each other
on the same samples & beat making workflow.

Here is short YouTube sound/swing comparison
that I've made between MPC3000 LE vs SP1200
using the same samples and the beat:

Hear it for yourself:
Obviously they both sound great but my personal preference goes to
SP1200.... even though it's the most limited of all 4 boxes

Here is YouTube video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqOTuSTA2bU


MPC300 / SP1200 / AKAI S950 / MPC1000 --->
They are all sound different and swing differently
for some reason MPC1000 sounds and swings worth of ALL of them
only with clever EQing it can sound reasonable ...

i am myself been trying to emulate SP1200 sound in MPC1000 by
using downsampling emulation FX + some subtle ring modulation
cause SP1200 starts to ring as soon as you tune sample up or down
And it rings differentely on each down/up step...
that's the most difficult part of SP1200 emulation ...

speaking of Swing : SP1200 swings different from MPC3000
but both of them swing great , while MPC1000 is somehow
swings less inspiring or exiting/lively.... its hard to discribe it
but,
most of
you probably know what i mean since you on this tread...

i would really like to see more vintage mode sampling and swing additions
to JJOS even as à trade off for some more modern functions ..
but just i don't see how JJ would implement them without having
all those real vintage mashines around for direct sound/swing comparisons ?

jazzroom wrote:i've got MPC3000 LE , SP1200,akai S950
and MPC1000 JJ OS2XL

congrats!

would be awesome if you´d compare jj´s bit convert function to the "real thing(s)"

maybe sample a clean drumloop with the sp and the s950. import the same sample into the mpc1000 and apply the bit convert effect.

It's hard to get the SP sound with anything else, but being able to change the sample rate and bit depth manually would be interesting, it may not sound as good as you think.

MPC-Editor Mike had a trick to get 12 bit out of any machine by just sampling at a low volume and normalizing. Adds some noise, but it does grunge it up and technically you wouldn't be using the higher bits.

Also, you could get the MPC to alias, you can't lower the sample rate, but you can speed up your sample and then pitch it down in the MPC and you should get aliasing if you pitch it up enough. Again, it won't sound like the SP, but you will get some aliasing if you do it right.

**** wrote:

jazzroom wrote:i've got MPC3000 LE , SP1200,akai S950
and MPC1000 JJ OS2XL

congrats!

would be awesome if you´d compare jj´s bit convert function to the "real thing(s)"

maybe sample a clean drumloop with the sp and the s950. import the same sample into the mpc1000 and apply the bit convert effect.

Here is a quick comparison test i've just posted on Youtube,
the source wav files to follow, stay tuned
peace
jazz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znqxqPMizlM

jazzroom wrote:

**** wrote:

jazzroom wrote:i've got MPC3000 LE , SP1200,akai S950
and MPC1000 JJ OS2XL

congrats!

would be awesome if you´d compare jj´s bit convert function to the "real thing(s)"

maybe sample a clean drumloop with the sp and the s950. import the same sample into the mpc1000 and apply the bit convert effect.

Here is a quick comparison test i've just posted on Youtube,
the source wav files to follow, stay tuned
peace
jazz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znqxqPMizlM

Nice comparison, thanks! One advantage that you have is that you're sampling off of vinyl, I use cd turntables so no matter what I do I can't really get that sound that comes only from vinyl. I've tried using some of these techniques you used in your video before and got pretty good results but there's still a difference when a sample is straight off wax or when it's off a cd. Sampling off vinyl is just as important as the sampler or technique being used when trying to achieve that gritty sound. Hmm... How about a vinyl emulation? It can help to fatten, warm up and add some vinyl sound to our samples (in other words grittify). Can't have enough grittification emulations I always say . But for real, I remember back when I had a Roland MV-8800 (had it for about a month or so) it had options to emulate 12bit and vinyl and you could choose how much vinyl character to add to the sample (damn I had totally forgotten about that til right now); it actually sounded really good but I think it was an overall warmer sounding machine than my 2500.