i don't want to learn anything i just want to make music lol

f*ck these goons and the lazy horse they rode in on.
don't want to figure out anything, "they just want to make music."

as if that was something you "just" do with no preparation or training

if you can't immerse yourself in the sometimes painful, often boring parts of learning/improving strategies, tools and workflows, i don't want to hear you complain about the tools you use.

Nym wrote:

f*ck these goons and the lazy horse they rode in on.
don't want to figure out anything, "they just want to make music."

as if that was something you "just" do with no preparation or training

if you can't immerse yourself in the sometimes painful, often boring parts of learning/improving strategies, tools and workflows, i don't want to hear you complain about the tools you use.

Fixed for ya...

It depends, I'm sure there are plenty of people who play actual instruments who would have a similar attitude towards sample-based musicians.

What, you mean they just take sounds from other people and then re-use them? F*ck the lazy horse they rode in on if they can't be bothered to learn the instrument etc...

You get my point.

I don't condone lazy people, but I don't think it's right to discourage people who "just want to make music" just because they've not found their feet yet. We were all helpless noobs once.

And that's a fair point, which I agree with. Like I said I don't condone lazy people.

But I think it's also important to consider the nature of society and the average person. Everything is based on instant gratification.

If I want to as a new bedroom producer, I can download music software for free... all of it. I can download a wealth of DVDs containing vidoes, samples and so on. In a few hours I can have professional tools at no cost to myself. Instant gratification.

Back when a lot of people on this board started out, they would have to get a sh*t job, save up and actually invest in what some would consider quite sub-par technology by today's "standards". The very nature of that person in wanting to save up for weeks to get a second hand sampler is indicative of the character it takes to sit down and learn how to use it.

So if you compare the attitudes of the two, it's night and day. In a world where people can have what they want instantly or at the prod of a screen, where is that passion or drive to want to learn for the most part?

That's why I think it's sometimes a bit too much of a blanket response to say f*ck these people. They don't know any better, and a bit of encouragement could be the tipping point.

People who just "want to make music" often don`t really care about music, they just like the idea of it... As a crappy bedroom player i strongly believe that the best part in a travel is the trip! Otherwise that wont be a point in spending so much time to make a dull song to post on the net

True...you can only spoonfeed so many times until you make the kid get out the highchair.

Music making comes natural to me. I spent way too long trying to first post pictures on this forum and then use an animated avatar. I just worked at it and then asked for a little help. The bottom line is that you have to put your work in at anything you want to be good at.

Thank choo!

Lampdog wrote:

scoobylol wrote:They don't know any better, and a bit of encouragement could be the tipping point.

Your right, they (mobile device teens and lazed older cats) don't know better/got lazy. I blame the internet for
making it so easy giving them instant satisfaction and them forgetting or never really knowing what "legwork" is.

what bugs me about that is the mobile devices and internet are built by people who put the work in to actually learn something - in 10-15 (or 25 or whatever) years when those engineers retire the current generation will be sitting there clicking on ancient facebook pages complaining they don't work and expecting it to fix itself

there aint no such thing as a free lunch - effort is required! learning is not optional!

I'm a big advocate of learning on the job and getting stuck in with making music wherever possible... there's no substitute for digging in and solving problems as you learn IMO.

I'm sure we all know a few heads on this board with immense technical knowledge but their tracks aren't the greatest. Right?

A studio is like a kitchen where home cooked meals are made. I slice and dice tender cuts of loin, dabble some herbs and spices. Then take the fresh vegatables and mix it all up to be fried and cooked.

Their studios are like a microwave in the middle of a hallway with instant meals served on diposable plates.