Round Robin/Pad Cycle - RE-UPPED WITH BETTER AUDIO

ArKyve-31 wrote:damn I found this on youtube before the forum...great post

That sample and beat is str8 fiya.....


As for the Round Robin that is amazing...I also like the idea of macros speeding up redundant tasks.

JJ really needs to implement this in the os. not just round robin but also a random cycling thru of various sounds per pad.

maybe a good way to do this would be a feature that allows you to step thru this new pattern mode he's created with each pad hit.

so instead of hitting a pad once to play the pattern, with each pad hit you play the next note in the pattern. you could have just 4 notes in the pattern for a round robin sort of thing, or have a really long complicated pattern with 32 steps or more to get some really complicated stuff happening.

this could be as simple for JJ as just adding 2 new play modes to the current pad pattern thing (step forward & step random).

this step mode would ignore the timing and the empty space in between notes in the pattern. with each pad hit it would just jump to the next event in the pattern and play it.

I may be very stupid but I can not seem to get this to work..I can ever find half of the pages to do this stuff! Anyone have the patients to teach a dumb ass how to do this? Like what buttons to hit to get where on a 1000....

Amazing stuff right there. I would absolutely love it if jj would add this as an internal feature, but I can easily live with this workaround. At first I was thinking that I wouldn't be able to do it in my setup as Im already using MIDI in and ouy... Then I realized that I could use the second in and out. Nice. I also think this may be the answer to my limiting voices on a single pad. For example, if I set the fourth hit to mute the first, the first to mute the second, etc. That would, hopefully, drop a single ride sample at a time without really being able to hear it with the other three samples replacing them... Damn this is making me itch to build a master drum setup. Mikolo you rule. I've been putting off buying your record, but I will do this now. Hope you have vinyl left...

I may be very stupid but I can not seem to get this to work..I can ever find half of the pages to do this stuff! Anyone have the patients to teach a dumb ass how to do this? Like what buttons to hit to get where on a 1000....

Here how I proceed for my quick trial ( I followed MIKOLO explanations but I'll try to keep it simpler)

As I only had one track with one program, it also works without the multitimbrality feature.

On the MIDI setup side with the button feature: you set MIDI note 20 to trigger pad bank B, 21=>C, 22=>D, 23=>A

http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~mpc1000/os2xl/button.htm
(you have to take into account how the MIDI cable is wired)

On the program side you have a DRUM program with your first sample on PAD A7 for instance, the second on B7, the third on C7 and the last one on D7.

You change the MIDI NOTE OUT for that DRUM program over the midi note number (WINDOW will highlight) you set PAD A7 to send MIDI NOTE 20, B7 =>21, C7=>22, D7=>23. Doing that when you press pad A7 it will internally launch A7 but externally trigger midi note 20 (which is routed externaly from the MPC MIDI OUT to the MPC MIDI IN) that will switch the pad bank.

You have to assign the MIDI destination of that track to 15A 15B or 16A, 16B as Mikolo suggested and depending on the wiring.

If you want to use the multimtimbrality there are few others things to set.
As I'm in a hurry I hope I didn't forget to mention an important detail.

PEAce

le rat wrote:

I may be very stupid but I can not seem to get this to work..I can ever find half of the pages to do this stuff! Anyone have the patients to teach a dumb ass how to do this? Like what buttons to hit to get where on a 1000....

Here how I proceed for my quick trial ( I followed MIKOLO explanations but I'll try to keep it simpler)

As I only had one track with one program, it also works without the multitimbrality feature.

On the MIDI setup side with the button feature: you set MIDI note 20 to trigger pad bank B, 21=>C, 22=>D, 23=>A

http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~mpc1000/os2xl/button.htm
(you have to take into account how the MIDI cable is wired)

On the program side you have a DRUM program with your first sample on PAD A7 for instance, the second on B7, the third on C7 and the last one on D7.

You change the MIDI NOTE OUT for that DRUM program over the midi note number (WINDOW will highlight) you set PAD A7 to send MIDI NOTE 20, B7 =>21, C7=>22, D7=>23. Doing that when you press pad A7 it will internally launch A7 but externally trigger midi note 20 (which is routed externaly from the MPC MIDI OUT to the MPC MIDI IN) that will switch the pad bank.

You have to assign the MIDI destination of that track to 15A 15B or 16A, 16B as Mikolo suggested and depending on the wiring.

If you want to use the multimtimbrality there are few others things to set.
As I'm in a hurry I hope I didn't forget to mention an important detail.

PEAce

Thank you very much for that info and your patients!!!

Thanks for all the support fellas, the kind words are much appreciated!

le rat- yes i should probably refine what i said a little about muting the receive track. I've tested it since and some notes (but not all) get deleted when im using a more complicated pgm ( with many samples,layers and simult settings etc) the simple james brown 1,2,3,uh pgm from the video doesnt get any notes deleted though. I've had it with other macro set ups though and you can see it wiping out every note as it plays past!

wudsiba - thats a great idea about mutes to restrict the polyphony! it took me a moment to picture it, but yeah. It'd even work if each pad was set to mono - cause it'd only mute that particular pad when the cycle brings you back to that bank, that way we'd still have simult to play with too.

jaydee - did you get it working?

some good ideas about this being coded into the os too. Cycling through NDC thing could work - although single hits would have to be resampled and loop modes wouldn't work. For maximum flexibility it'd be best if it didn't sacrifice velocity layers and simult too - I believe the mpc5000 cycles through the sample layers for instance, so you lose the velocity layers.

OT a little but talking of velocity layers - id love to see the return of the ALL button , and the introduction of the undo seq copy function to that window.

dude!!! this is an awesome tip - thanks for sharing it

(I only just got round to watching the video)

this is just too much fun! i spent a couple hours building a kit and apart from my shitty playing, it sounds pretty realistic.

one thing i came across,....

if you have for example a cymbal crash, which you figure you dont need to map a bank change to, do it anyway,... if you dont when you hit the pad, the mpc freaks out a bit. it goes all screechy an shit, but if you go to the MIDI and turn it to OFF then it stops.

^^
i haven't noticed that. in the vid there's quite a few of my pads that aren't set up to cycle.
Have you updated OS recently and not done the erase key reset thing by any chance?

crap, i must have done something wrong then

i'm running jjosxl3 but i'll have a read through your instructions again,.... could this happen because of some defect in the machine? i ask cos i just got my 2500 last week and it was used.

hhm could be a midi feedback loop, but then it should probably do that with other pads too.

if your new to the mpc and jjos then one thing you need to do each time you update the os is hold down the erase key when you turn it on - this resets the mpc , you only have to do it once for each update. it wipes your personal settings (e.g. pad settings, foot pedal,metronome) but you can save these as a file to quickly revert back to your own preferences.

mikolo wrote:Thanks for all the support fellas, the kind words are much appreciated!

le rat- yes i should probably refine what i said a little about muting the receive track. I've tested it since and some notes (but not all) get deleted when im using a more complicated pgm ( with many samples,layers and simult settings etc) the simple james brown 1,2,3,uh pgm from the video doesnt get any notes deleted though. I've had it with other macro set ups though and you can see it wiping out every note as it plays past!

wudsiba - thats a great idea about mutes to restrict the polyphony! it took me a moment to picture it, but yeah. It'd even work if each pad was set to mono - cause it'd only mute that particular pad when the cycle brings you back to that bank, that way we'd still have simult to play with too.

jaydee - did you get it working?

some good ideas about this being coded into the os too. Cycling through NDC thing could work - although single hits would have to be resampled and loop modes wouldn't work. For maximum flexibility it'd be best if it didn't sacrifice velocity layers and simult too - I believe the mpc5000 cycles through the sample layers for instance, so you lose the velocity layers.

OT a little but talking of velocity layers - id love to see the return of the ALL button , and the introduction of the undo seq copy function to that window.

YES I did get it working and thank you so much for this..very very cool!!!!

mikolo wrote:hhm could be a midi feedback loop, but then it should probably do that with other pads too.

if your new to the mpc and jjos then one thing you need to do each time you update the os is hold down the erase key when you turn it on - this resets the mpc , you only have to do it once for each update. it wipes your personal settings (e.g. pad settings, foot pedal,metronome) but you can save these as a file to quickly revert back to your own preferences.

it would only happen when triggering the pad thats not cycled, the mpc would freak out and i wouldnt be able to play any other pads,.... and i'd have to restart the machine.

it does sound like a feedback loop, but if i didnt hit the uncycled pad all the others would play fine.

cheers man, yeah i havent used an mpc for a good few years so i didnt know that, i'll give that a shot asap!