i don't want to learn anything i just want to make music lol

Pastor-of-Muppets wrote:Hendrix spent years as a touring guitarist playing in bands and on the live circuit, then as a session musician, honing his skills as a guitarist

he spent many time tuning his guitar in non-conventional ways
he also was a great studio recording innovator

i think that music genres are very different from each other:

hip hop music got an obsession for execution techniques (IE: scratch techniques, live sample chopping, rapping in freestyle, etc etc)

punk rock is more a matter of raw expression and the technical aspect is not the most important

Johnny Thunders wasn't able to sing on tune, but he was one of the most respected guitarists and singers in the punk scene

band members of Crass (UK anarchopunk band 1977-1984) don't even considered themselves musicians
sorry for my bad english

jpeg wrote:times change us older cats may want the youngsters to go thru all thr trials we went thru but its different era there is no need to save up and buy equipment cos u can download an app and some sound packs and be up and running.

dudes wanna just make something they can feel and why should they delay? if the out come is good they should go right ahead but if they making some wack **** they need to put more time in.

but some peeps will start making beats and within 1 month they better then cats that been doing it for 10 years of hard practice.

so hard work aint the be all and end all some peeps are naturally musically gifted then others

The difference is though, the older guy who has saved up for his equipment and learned it inside out will always have an advantage. That attitude, drive, and dedication is what eventually makes true musical pioneers. The average torrent whore will rarely ever amount to more than a few preset ridden music by numbers tunes.

Like I mentioned earlier in the thread, it's the instant gratification generation. I want to make music NOW, so I will download everything I need NOW. Then I will go onto a forum and ask how to do everything NOW. Then I will copy off a youtube video NOW. Where's the incentive to learn, and progress, which eventually pays off as your own sound?

With all these advantages in modern music technology it should be sending creativity off into the stratosphere but unfortunately it seems to just be making people lazy. How can it be that music made the best part of 20 years ago on technology that is now dwarfed by a phone, STILL sounds more original than the majority of music made today? It's great that people of my generation have far more opportunity and accessibility to develop a passion and a hobby in music making, but why don't they?

There's no preset for dedication.

thx wrote:i think that music genres are very different from each other:

hip hop music got an obsession for execution techniques (IE: scratch techniques, live sample chopping, rapping in freestyle, etc etc)

punk rock is more a matter of raw expression and the technical aspect is not the most important

Johnny Thunders wasn't able to sing on tune, but he was one of the most respected guitarists and singers in the punk scene

band members of Crass (UK anarchopunk band 1977-1984) don't even considered themselves musicians
sorry for my bad english

see i think the line is blurred as well. some of the most influential people in music didn't know what they were doing, how about jim morrison? he took drugs and "communicated" with something.. james brown didn't know ANYTHING about music. i just kinda feel like nym is taking an approach like "the jocks are making music now". my point is it's unnecessary to kick up some negativity about how there's a lot of people making music that are complete idiots. did you ever think that the people you're speaking on wouldn't even be making music if it wasn't as accessible as it is now? and why is that a bad thing? at least CRACK isn't super easily accessible to these people, at least becoming an evil corporation isn't the flavor of the week to do.. and these people running around with their foolery. my point is i agree with nym,, and most of what you guys are saying, but it's like... f**k it. do you. don't worry about the next man doing bullshtt because you never know, he could live the music maker's dream and barely know how to use a keyboard. there's a social aspect at work. and if you consider yourself the different kind of artist/musician/person then shouldn't you rest easy knowing YOU can decipher the difference between what YOU deem acceptable and what you think is crap? i mean.. i personally think i make better music than nym... but if i don't meet the qualification for musician or music then f**k music! it's not an exclusive club. a baby can make music. it's a science mixed with mental and physical realms ok, but everyone's on their own SPIRITUAL journey. and people are going to do whatever is called upon them to DO to GET where they wanna GO!

and i agree people are all "producers" now... oh yeah what about george clinton? couldn't play anything for his life, didn't learn a damn thing, except how to have fun. he was a song maker though! hmmmm... anyway

the funny part is, it's a marriage.. some musicians couldn't make it without these people i'm speaking on. it's funny when people can have all the technical, depth, and knowledge to their art mastered, but still not make anything worth LISTENING TO. knowledge vs wisdom.

goldslum wrote:. knowledge vs wisdom.

or is it knowledge vs talent ?

as the dungeon master explained it,

intelligence (int) gets you out of bad situations that wisdom (wis) would have kept you out of in the first place.

i thought it was wizard of oz

funny how many stress the importance of learning music theory, snobbery methinks.

music is for all but its understandable that those who have shown great dedication and commitment to have some disdain for those who take shit as a joke but if the music is good u gotta love it.

jpeg wrote:funny how many stress the importance of learning music theory,

not in this thread, did you read it?

this thread is not about music theory or time spent or even talent, at all

music theory is math, you can be good at math but never discover a new theorem
time spent is time spent, you can spend forever on something and never perfect it.
and talent is the lottery - talent is experiential and hopeless, you can never presume to have it and you are doomed if you dismiss yourself as being devoid of it.

it's about loving what you do.
you have a serious problem when you say "i don't want to do X, i just want to make music."

if X is in between you and music, you must not want to make music so bad if you are too weak to overcome X.


very very simple. cruelly, powerfully simple...

my favorite alchemist quotes, not sure where he said, in some video. but he said "persistance over resistance" referring on how to be - to be good at what you are doing or make it or whatever........regardless that he said it, its the truest shit i've come to learn.

if you want something bad, dont give up, try your hardest, and dont give a **** what anyone else says.

its like the wing chun chain punch. 1 punch might not do shit, a big dude can handle it. but many small punches over time will wear a mutha **** down and dude will start to bleed.

shawshank redemption - dude took his time to digg that **** hole out of there. little bit of rocks and dirt brought out to the yard everyday, eventually he over came that shit.

point is, you want something, be persistant. and doing a little everyday will make the biggest differance. you cant make music with out learning, and learning is about being persistant. and just cause you aint master it one day doesnt mean you wont overcome it.

to over come X, be persistant.

peace

this reminds me of this documentary I watched a while back on youtube/movies .. it was called something like "getting famous in 30 days" or something close to that... the documentary was bland, the dude in the film is boring and also bland...

anyways, essentially this dude is/was a nobody.. but he was a film producer middle class nobody with plenty in life that would even satisfy most of us here.. car, career, a house that was a month or so away from being payed off etc.. dude had that. the dude's wife left him though, but that was likely to be because he is an annoying loser with a cheesy cornball sense of humour.. in fact his personality in general was pretty cornball.

So the dude decides he wants to become famous. just like that.. he quits his job, he loses his house cause he doesn't pay the shit off.. he gets into his POS car and drives across the USA doing what he can to become famous trying to get on tv shows.. and the final goal was to get on the jay leno show which he doesn't do cause who gives a shit about him.

did he sing? no. dance? no. play a pro sport? no. have knowledge of this week's weather? no. make a viral youtube video? no, even his documentary for free on youtube got a sad amount of views after giving up his life for nothing....

point is, the dude had no talents really.. nothing that would get him famous.. he wasn't funny, he wasn't nothing.. and he didn't want to work on those things to achieve the goal.. he just wanted to become famous but not famous for anything... besides getting famous.

**** people.

Maybe I'm anti social, but I don't see the point in being famous, or the desire to be famous, everyone I "idolized" that was famous seem to have a shitty life because of fame, sure the money is great but its like you gotta sacrifice your own identity for a public persona people expect from you. Although sadly it seems our world, or at least the U.S revolves around being famous, everybody's on some "look at me, look at me" and social networking has made it worse. I really don't even feel like posting music anymore because I don't wanna be thrown in with those type of people, not saying those who post music are like that by any means, but I'm tired of getting messages on youtube and soundcloud all saying the same thing "dope beats, leave a comment on mine and I'll comment on yours" like what the **** is the point of that? Don't comment on my ish, I don't care, I'll comment on stuff if I like it or think I can help with constructive criticism. Seems like people value comments and views over quality and skill....which is destroying or at least severely over saturating an already crowded area.

Alright I cut this rant short

Being a 'comment collector' is something I'm DEFINITELY not interested in! I don't even like the waveform display on soundcloud because it just means people skip your well crafted intro.

Coz, I'd like to see you post more of your music, I enjoy your style