Program "sets"?

bliprock wrote:OK after playing with the track to pattern, and making sets of midi cc tracks for pad functions that control external midi gear it seems to me that after you set pad function it is set the same on every program. Please can we make theses pad functions change when I change program. Same as changing sets but i would like all the sets and pad functions to be swappable live. So i have program of 64 functions then change pad function set to normal when i change program OR make sets available on main screen. so i can change sets as i play.......I dont wanna record set changes just be able to have sets easily changed from main screen so i can switch pad functions, pad to CCs ect back to normal pad play sample function

Hey Bliprock the above quote is from Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:44 am. I made bole the same issue thirdlip was talking about.This is the link viewtopic.php?f=25&t=77422&p=1393187#p1393187

You are trying to get at me for trying to help someone and it is the same issue you had or have.Since today is Sunday I will continue to be nice... *pap* *pap*

bliprock wrote::?: What JJ has done with the new JJOSXL 3.xx is awesome for liive work. you guys have to RTFM and make sure all your terminology is in check.
Thirdlip, you did not look very hard sorry
http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~mpc1000/os2xl/padmode.htm
RTFM again
lets assume you are playing live and you want a mix of samples and midi sequences or midi messages.

Thirdlip wrote: I don't use pre-arranged sequences, but record and overdub sequences on numerous tracks live on-stage and some of them are sample-based and some are CC control of other devices.

WTF your playing over a backing track huh? not very cool if you wanna change your set up live....very borring. So IMHO I strongly suggest you learn to use the midi sequencer instead. But back to the problem. I can see three different ways to solve your problem. SETS are related to Pad Mode Assign settings. As you have noticed there is the ability to assign a midi cc or program change to a pad, but this stops acting as normal ie hit pad and it plays a sample depending on program or a midi note in midi mode.
So do you get it now?This new 'Pad Assign Mode' makes the PADs behaviour change And the best thing is i can make a track of a string of midi cc, say make a 2 bar sweep of my microkorgs filter cutoff and then make a pattern from it, assign to a pad and then when playing live i can hit that pad and WWWOSSHHH... another pad can be assigned a midi program change, so when i hit that pad it changes microkorg patch program. And so on. Oh and this is while The MPC1000 is playing a dozen tracks of drums and vocals and playing sequences to multiple synths as well. But how can you play samples to??? RTFM (i just having a laugh with all the RTFMs but its true)
So here is first solution - Notice the PAD BANKS. Be honest do you have every one of those 64 pads assigned to 64 samples? If you do copy a bank to a new program, so as to free up a bank. There, now you have a place for your 16 midi functions assigned the way you want. hit Pad Bank buttons and switch live
Second solution - As said before, above, you can switch sets live or turn them of or on live. Go down to Pad assign there next to the Pad number, Hit WINDOW. Hey presto you have the Pad Mode Assign List window. Go to across to [Set No.] and change your set
THird solution is same as second but use on/off function in this Pad Mode Assign List window [F2]
There you all been schooled. I hope you get it and above helps.

Lighten up francis.

evil A Sulli wrote:

bliprock wrote:OK after playing with the track to pattern, and making sets of midi cc tracks for pad functions that control external midi gear it seems to me that after you set pad function it is set the same on every program. Please can we make theses pad functions change when I change program. Same as changing sets but i would like all the sets and pad functions to be swappable live. So i have program of 64 functions then change pad function set to normal when i change program OR make sets available on main screen. so i can change sets as i play.......I dont wanna record set changes just be able to have sets easily changed from main screen so i can switch pad functions, pad to CCs ect back to normal pad play sample function

Hey Bliprock the above quote is from Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:44 am. I made bole the same issue thirdlip was talking about.This is the link http://www.mpc-forums.com/viewtopic.php ... 7#p1393187

You are trying to get at me for trying to help someone and it is the same issue you had or have.Since today is Sunday I will continue to be nice... *pap* *pap*

There is no way in hell i am that shallow and vain as to have a go at you just cos your trying to help. If anything you making it worse.
And I see you can at least read so thats a start. Maybe if you understood what I am saying you will see that the work arounds are in fact response to the issue you have quoted above. But being egotistical self oppinionated as you are, you fail to see this. So again RTFM and my posts and do it on your MPC. I bet you aint done it yet either hommie. Yeah I'm calling you out, other wise you would be like yeah i get it now, and shut up. This is me being nice as well. That quote is me after an hour with this new feature, but there is no need for my request because of the implimentataion of the PAD Mode Assign window and the other work arounds I came up with. And you failed to read or understand other posts I made there. I want to identify sets for multiple devices and identify them accordingly. Too complicated for you probably Evil How on earth can you spend time searching posts instead of actually doing it on your MPC. If ya cant walk the walk, dont talk the talk

bliprock: chill out a bit.

one reason why JJ has the PROGRAM/PAD SETS thing set up like it is now is that you can't really have PROGRAMS control the PAD SETS. here's why:

1. PAD SETS can have some pads set to play PATTERNS.

2. PATTERNS can play different PROGRAMS by setting their TRACK value.
(they will play whatever PROGRAM happens to be active on that TRACK)

So imagine if a PATTERN in PROGRAM 1 is set to play PROGRAM 2 (on TRACK 2).

PROGRAM 2 (if you allow PROGRAMS to have their own PAD SETS) could also have some different PATTERNS assigned to it. so you would have PATTERNS triggering other PATTERNS.

now that could actually be cool, but what if some of those PROGRAM 2 PATTERNS were set to play some of the PROGRAM 1 PATTERNS... that were themselves set to play some of the PROGRAM 2 PATTERNS... etc....

...you would end up with an endless loop! which would eat up all your voices, crash your MPC, and create a black hole which would swallow the Earth.

so to avoid that, PAD SETS have to be the 'top dog', so to speak. there can only be one active at a time. if you had each PROGRAM contain their own PAD SET, you could have multiple PAD SETS active at once and that is a recipe for a major conflict.

best way to handle this is to spread your stuff out among all the pad banks. use all 64 of those pads. and if you have PATTERNS assigned and instead want to play a sample on those pads, just jump out of the MAIN screen and the PATTERNS won't be triggered by the pads anymore. but it would also be good for JJ to put a shortcut on the MAIN screen somewhere to more easily change the PAD SETS.

Sooty_G wrote:bliprock: chill out a bit.

one reason why JJ has the PROGRAM/PAD SETS thing set up like it is now is that you can't really have PROGRAMS control the PAD SETS. here's why:

1. PAD SETS can have some pads set to play PATTERNS.

2. PATTERNS can play different PROGRAMS by setting their TRACK value.
(they will play whatever PROGRAM happens to be active on that TRACK)

So imagine if a PATTERN in PROGRAM 1 is set to play PROGRAM 2 (on TRACK 2).

PROGRAM 2 (if you allow PROGRAMS to have their own PAD SETS) could also have some different PATTERNS assigned to it. so you would have PATTERNS triggering other PATTERNS.

now that could actually be cool, but what if some of those PROGRAM 2 PATTERNS were set to play some of the PROGRAM 1 PATTERNS... that were themselves set to play some of the PROGRAM 2 PATTERNS... etc....

...you would end up with an endless loop! which would eat up all your voices, crash your MPC, and create a black hole which would swallow the Earth.

so to avoid that, PAD SETS have to be the 'top dog', so to speak. there can only be one active at a time. if you had each PROGRAM contain their own PAD SET, you could have multiple PAD SETS active at once and that is a recipe for a major conflict.

best way to handle this is to spread your stuff out among all the pad banks. use all 64 of those pads. and if you have PATTERNS assigned and instead want to play a sample on those pads, just jump out of the MAIN screen and the PATTERNS won't be triggered by the pads anymore. but it would also be good for JJ to put a shortcut on the MAIN screen somewhere to more easily change the PAD SETS.

Like I said before its like a global Pad setting thats not related to programs as program conflicts are no good, that is for sure. And you are just repeating what i said before about Pad Bank use before as a work around amongst other things. I'm still in two minds about the ability to name sets. I am using multiple sets. That also solves OPs original problem and is only a couple ok button hits to do it, but you need to remember what set is what, as they are just numbered. I think it has been requested to, the set numbers on main screen. that would be good but really, its pretty easy to do it now in the Pad Mode Assign Window unless you are really dumb.

bliprock wrote:

evil A Sulli wrote:

bliprock wrote:OK after playing with the track to pattern, and making sets of midi cc tracks for pad functions that control external midi gear it seems to me that after you set pad function it is set the same on every program. Please can we make theses pad functions change when I change program. Same as changing sets but i would like all the sets and pad functions to be swappable live. So i have program of 64 functions then change pad function set to normal when i change program OR make sets available on main screen. so i can change sets as i play.......I dont wanna record set changes just be able to have sets easily changed from main screen so i can switch pad functions, pad to CCs ect back to normal pad play sample function

Hey Bliprock the above quote is from Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:44 am. I made bole the same issue thirdlip was talking about.This is the link viewtopic.php?f=25&t=77422&p=1393187#p1393187

You are trying to get at me for trying to help someone and it is the same issue you had or have.Since today is Sunday I will continue to be nice... *pap* *pap*

There is no way in hell i am that shallow and vain as to have a go at you just cos your trying to help. If anything you making it worse.
And I see you can at least read so thats a start. Maybe if you understood what I am saying you will see that the work arounds are in fact response to the issue you have quoted above. But being egotistical self oppinionated as you are, you fail to see this. So again RTFM and my posts and do it on your MPC. I bet you aint done it yet either hommie. Yeah I'm calling you out, other wise you would be like yeah i get it now, and shut up. This is me being nice as well. That quote is me after an hour with this new feature, but there is no need for my request because of the implimentataion of the PAD Mode Assign window and the other work arounds I came up with. And you failed to read or understand other posts I made there. I want to identify sets for multiple devices and identify them accordingly. Too complicated for you probably Evil How on earth can you spend time searching posts instead of actually doing it on your MPC. If ya cant walk the walk, dont talk the talk

You are such a con descending ****.Your work around does not apply to all.I have no problem controlling my gear.Let us all know how we should do a live show.FREAK

TYPO wrote:

You are such a con descending ****.Your work around does not apply to all.I have no problem controlling my gear.Let us all know how we should do a live show.FREAK

that was kool. Please Typo, enlighten me instead of getting your knickers in a twist. I mean to say that name calling is not as constructive as sharing information. If you feel some how that I did not respect you after a good shaftin. LOL, just playing with ya. Its too easy though, and I am here to discuss stuff not pander to your ego. Deal with it. Hey I am just expressing myself, and as for what you think, I'm all ears. I am not phazed, and I am a **** and proud of it, this true. Another thing ya gotta deal with. Come on Typo i wanna be friends....
And I did not mean you anyways, I ment everyone. But no, its all about you Typo hey....sorry i forgot. Can we get back onto threads subject cos i can go on all day and all night with if you want, but you dont. trust me you aint seen condescending yet.

Sooty_G wrote:. but it would also be good for JJ to put a shortcut on the MAIN screen somewhere to more easily change the PAD SETS.

Aww Sooty_G you came through again. ThridLip, you did a good job by creating this thread because your topic is something that will come up again and again.

As Sooty_G has stated there needs to be on the main screen a "Set Status" (to the right of the program name) with a scroll list of OFF or the 1 to ten sets. When you press a pad the velocity can still pop up but change back to "Set Status".

Here's the tricky part. On the "Program List" screen (on the main screen hi-light the program name and press window) the program in slot 001 must be the primary program used for Pad Status. When Pad mode turns on it will only turn on the primary program with the active set. All other programs will be set to off. A move option may also be needed if you want the program at 002 to become 001.

Now all subsequent programs can be turned on in the "Set Status" on the main screen-A turn of the wheel will show off or the active set you want. By setting set status to off the labeling from the Pad status will no longer have the ability to change the function and wording on that program's pads.

Set Status could look like this on the main screen. Pgm:Program 2 Set:Off or Pgm:Program 2 Set:1