Do the records matter?

"I think Primo could sample Mary Friggin Poppins and everyone would still be like "is that a Primo beat?"


mainly cos of his drums but yeah also possibly the way he chops and triggers samples.

But in my mind the bottom line is sample selection cos when u have an good ear for certain types of sounds it helps distinguish u as a producer.

I guess we agree to disagree. lol

I feel samples are overrated.

If you didn't have any samples would you still make music?

If so....what then would set you apart?

It all comes down to the producers style.

Peace,
Heavy

If samples are over rated, why haunt a 'Crate Diggers' forum? Seems you missed the point.

Maybe I missed the point you are trying make there. I think there word is
"Crate Diggers" meaning people that collect records. I don't think you have to sample sh*t just to collect records, well I mean the last time I checked you don't have to even own a sampler to collect records.


I don't know about you but, I got plenty records at home that I could just blatantly jack a sample from and the beat would be hot to death. That doesn't make me a great producer.

What makes you a great producer is how you distinquish your sound from everyone else.

I think in 1 of the forums awhile back there was a discussion about The Heatmakers. Now those dudes are clowns in my opinion but, maybe to others they are hot producers.

I mean dude is talking about how he takes 5 mins to make a beat when basically all he's doing is taking a sample looping it and adding some drums over it. My 10 year old son could make a song aday if I just unleashed him on the MPC with every record that has a hot sample on it.

And the last time I checked I didn't see any Heatmakers joints nominated for a grammy(so his $40,000 a track fantasy is just hype at best) $40,000 a track but, you chillin in the hood where everyone is starving yeah right.




Sorry to have strayed off the subject for a moment but, I'll tell you something someone told me along time ago. Two of the hottest producers ever are Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. Listen to some of there tracks from back in the day and tell me you need samples to be a hot producer.

hoodlord wrote:records.


I don't know about you but, I got plenty records at home that I could just blatantly jack a sample from and the beat would be hot to death. That doesn't make me a great producer.

What makes you a great producer is how you distinquish your sound from everyone else.

I mean dude is talking about how he takes 5 mins to make a beat when basically all he's doing is taking a sample looping it and adding some drums over it. My 10 year old son could make a song aday if I just unleashed him on the MPC with every record that has a hot sample on it.

And the last time I checked I didn't see any Heatmakers joints nominated for a grammy(so his $40,000 a track fantasy is just hype at best) $40,000 a track but, you chillin in the hood where everyone is starving yeah right.

all I can say if u have hot samples at home and u aint flippin them into dope beats, ur either wack or dont know how to flip samples.

cos alot of peoples talk about how many dope samples they have and when u hear they beats the shit is wack.

so im thinking if u dont know how to use the hot samples in an interesting way then it could be u lack creativity, knowing which samples to use shows u have a good ear for music and thats what people want to hear.

as a listener i dont care how many effects u added to ur sound or how many months u spent working on a beat, i dont care how many change ups and progressions u have in ur song cos that shit could be could technically but boring to listen to.

hoodlord wrote:records.


I don't know about you but, I got plenty records at home that I could just blatantly jack a sample from and the beat would be hot to death. That doesn't make me a great producer.

What makes you a great producer is how you distinquish your sound from everyone else.

I mean dude is talking about how he takes 5 mins to make a beat when basically all he's doing is taking a sample looping it and adding some drums over it. My 10 year old son could make a song aday if I just unleashed him on the MPC with every record that has a hot sample on it.

And the last time I checked I didn't see any Heatmakers joints nominated for a grammy(so his $40,000 a track fantasy is just hype at best) $40,000 a track but, you chillin in the hood where everyone is starving yeah right.

all I can say if u have hot samples at home and u aint flippin them into dope beats, ur either wack or dont know how to flip samples.

cos alot of peoples talk about how many dope samples they have and when u hear they beats the shit is wack.

so im thinking if u dont know how to use the hot samples in an interesting way then it could be u lack creativity, knowing which samples to use shows u have a good ear for music and thats what people want to hear.

as a listener i dont care how many effects u added to ur sound or how many months u spent working on a beat, i dont care how many change ups and progressions u have in ur song cos that shit could be could technically good but boring to listen to.

[quote="perish"]If samples are over rated, why haunt a 'Crate Diggers' forum? Seems you missed the point.[/quote]

This could go on forever.
It all comes down to the producer not the record!!! Period!!!
Youth and inexperience are rampant on these forums. I speak from experience. Listen to your elders kiddies, I know I still do.

I still feel sampling is overrated and I don't mean to "haunt" any forum.

I post here because I am a record collector (and I happen to own an MPC).
That would be true regardless of if I sample the records or not.
I buy records for the music, not just for that one drum break ohh ohhhhoooohhh that one little drum break.

I am not confused about anything and I didn't miss the point of anything.
Did you?

I say sampling is overrated because I have been collecting records for over 17 years and I still prefer to sit behind my drum set with my pals on bass, keys, guitar, etc....

Any musician will agree that there is no way to duplicate the organic feel of LIVE music with a sample(r). Not even close. Not even with an MPC10,0000. Not to mention I'm not ripping off someone else's groove.

Good luck with your records dude.

Peace,
Heavy

Yea, your ear is the best tool. Black sheeps first album, as well as jazzy jeff and fresh prince's early sh*T (and others) didnt use samplers at all, it was records, 2 12's and a mixer. I recall working with a rapper in the early 90's and nnot even thinking of a sampler, just goingn back and forth on the one's and two's.
F*ck rules and regulations, just do what you do

I didn't mean to come off like an all knowing a-hole or something but that one guys post really irritaed me for some reason. In the overall scheme of things I really don't know jack. I appologize if I came off wrong.

Whatever your formula is..... I will appreciate your music it makes me feel emotion of any kind rather it be anger or joy.

Keep up the good work and I will continue to listen.

P.S. I will always love a good sample, but it took a good ear to recogize that sample in the first place right? Ironic that even the super dope sample was once the concept of a super dope producer. Therefor ........it's the producer.

heavysound wrote:

perish wrote:If samples are over rated, why haunt a 'Crate Diggers' forum? Seems you missed the point.

This could go on forever.
It all comes down to the producer not the record!!! Period!!!
Youth and inexperience are rampant on these forums. I speak from experience. Listen to your elders kiddies, I know I still do.

I still feel sampling is overrated and I don't mean to "haunt" any forum.

I post here because I am a record collector (and I happen to own an MPC).
That would be true regardless of if I sample the records or not.
I buy records for the music, not just for that one drum break ohh ohhhhoooohhh that one little drum break.

I am not confused about anything and I didn't miss the point of anything.
Did you?

I say sampling is overrated because I have been collecting records for over 17 years and I still prefer to sit behind my drum set with my pals on bass, keys, guitar, etc....

Any musician will agree that there is no way to duplicate the organic feel of LIVE music with a sample(r). Not even close. Not even with an MPC10,0000. Not to mention I'm not ripping off someone else's groove.

Good luck with your records dude.

Peace,
Heavy

do you make hiphop? Do you dj?

theres more to sampling than just jacking someones groove....Theres more to sampling then the surface "jacking" that everyone who doesnt do it, think it is....

Its just how you percieve it.

You can have just as much creativity in sampling, as playing a live instrument....its just from a differant perspective or direction, a differant form of music.......Ive made tracks where you wouldnt be able to tell it was a sample, and made a sample into synth sounds.

And on the creating the live feel....its not the live feel that samplers neccesarily go for, I actually like the way my mpc sounds (not live). its the quality of the record, the quality of the recording, its the sound of a chopped sample.....its a looped break, yeah you can tell its looped, but thats the point.

Its definately the producer, not the record.....but the records that i choose to sample, define me as a producer.