1000, 2000xl, 2500

Good post sir...

Minamoto wrote:go ahead and cop a 1000/2500

I also found the sound of a modern one too clean and needed resampling into an older sampler to sound near good... More money to spend

i just don't see this. this is analogous to saying that the record you're sampling doesn't sound good until it's been sampled into an older sampler. the record sounds great! it's a lofi source already compared to CD audio (as far as noise goes, not freq range of course)

i would scoop up a 2000xl just for fun, even though i have no room for it, but if/when i do, it won't be for this reason.

http://music.ratsofnym.com/

i do very little corrective effects work on my music after it comes from the MPC1000. if this sounds nowhere near good, then **** i gotta find a new hobby!

Beatdiggerjazzcat we aren't attacking you so don't worry about that

If you won't be doing a lot of sequencing and chopping on the mpc I wouldn't recommend you a JJOS compatible mpc per se.

If you only want it for pads and as a piece of hardware for external FX use, I would recommend you to buy one with 8 assignable outs.

In case you also want to do a lot of midisyncing concerning FX (delays etc) I would recommend you an mpc with as much midioutputs as possible.

If you're not looking for 'that classic 2000xl sound', save yourself the hussle with finding a classic machine and replacementparts. Or you must really have the desire to work with an older machine only because you want to work with an older machine.

First, I tend to trust just about anything and everything Lampdog says -- maybe it's just the gold! haha -- which gives me the idea that the decision is entirely subjective (the whole "to each his own" type deal).

Second, I do plan on [outboard] EQing and Compressing samples before they hit the box (which, in my personal opinion, is an entire aspect of the art of sampling).

With that said, I'm pretty sure I'm going for the 1000/2500 with JJ OS 2KXL.
More RAM (because you better believe I will be time-stretching/pitch shifting like a beast), more hard drive space... I'm not going to post the 17,483rd list of a comparison, you get the idea.

I appreciate the older equipment just out of a sheer love for old and hate for new (Kinda feel that way about everything haha), however, I think the 2KXL is much more of an investment when talking about not just money, but time too. Replacing tacts, screens sometimes, pad renewal, installing CF/trying to use zip drives that tend to go bad.

Now, don't get me wrong, I would spend every dime I had sprucing up a 3k or a 60 -- where there is an ACTUAL NOTICEABLE difference in sound/grit. But that's not the case.

Now, the decision is really between the 1k and 2500. Since I'm gonna have OS 2KXL, do you guys think the extra buttons/larger pads/tilt-screen/etc. is worth the extra dough?

Thanks for all the help guys, this is easily the greatest forum in the cosmos.

Peace.

What we say 'bout spendin' other people's money?

Now, the decision is really between the 1k and 2500. Since I'm gonna have OS 2KXL, do you guys think the extra buttons/larger pads/tilt-screen/etc. is worth the extra dough?

if you've had a different mpc, then the pad size will probably matter to you. otherwise it won't.
extra buttons (except in maybe one or two cases) don't matter too much since you can use midi to control jjos2xl

to me the real issue is tilt screen vs size
you gonna be rolling around with this thing, or will it be forever patched into your studio? same with outputs - but that part really is going to be determined by what you're using this stuff with.

I would roll with the 2500 or 1000 with JJ OSXL if you're looking for work flow and features.JJ OSXL is amazing. It's fun making beats with JJ OSXL.

The 2000XL if the MPC is going to be your main workstation. Because the sound is flawless and you can contain your sound in that MPC without much corrective mixing in your DAW...2500 and 1000 has a good sound, but I wouldn't say its flawless like the 2000XL. Especially with Brass Heavy samples, but if you have a good DAW like Logic..it's not an issue.

I've since revised my position entirely on sequencing. I messed around with a friend's Elektribe and -- although I do realize the sequencer will be different in an MPC -- I absolutely loved the feel of sequencing on hardware. Wayyy different workflow. I completely underestimated the difference in feel.

The 2000XL if the MPC is going to be your main workstation. Because the sound is flawless and you can contain your sound in that MPC without much corrective mixing in your DAW...2500 and 1000 has a good sound, but I wouldn't say its flawless like the 2000XL.

Let's say I have a 2kxl and a 1000, both with the same exact samples, same exact sequencing, and let's not get into effects. Just straight samples. If I go to record just the stereo out, are you telling me A.) the sound of the XL is simply better, or B.) the XL's ability to transfer what you've monitored is more accurate?

Also, "...you can contain your sound in that MPC without much corrective mixing in your daw...", are you saying that the 2kxl retains "sound" better than the 1k? Not sure I follow.

To Nym, I plan on having it as a workstation mainly for sampling, but would also like to be able to have MIDI jams, if you will, if I get more intensive in the hardware setup. If I end up getting completely comfortable with hardware to the point that I don't need Logic for composition, I plan on getting a 3k (4 MIDI outs = boss as ****, not to mention the 8 indie-outs). But until then, I just want to sort of jump in the shallow end.

Also, would you guys say the MPCs can work together in a setup? I've seen cats with 60's, 3k's, and 1000's in the same setup. Is that because people just buy more MPCs and don't sell, or is this an actual technique?

I owned the 2500. Most samples sound good. Some come out grainy though, brass heavy samples in particular...2000Xl, everything sounds lovely..The 808 samples sound better too..that's just my opinion.


2500's the better machine overall though, because of JJ OS-XL, RAM, more dependable CF reader, HD.

Aaaaaaaand USB.

As an 2000XL owner, it does not sound better or worst than an MPC 2500 or 1000. Those that claim otherwise, please but up links to the samples.

I put up links to samples from the MPC 3000 and 2500 back in 2005. There was no clear cut winner..and in fact some forum members thought the MPC 2500 samples were MPC 3000 samples.

i got a 2500 jjos1 and a 2000xl w/cf, both fully maxed.
no question the 2500 is light years better in workflow, and im sure the 1000 is just as good but less dedicated buttons and audio/midi outs.

i do love the xl but it just slowed me down, i used it for 9 months straight after having a 2500 for a few yrs.. got used to the workflow easy enough but what held me back most was the 4 program limit.. in the 2500 i copy programs all day making tweaks etc.. also 'global program edit' in jjos is king!

and then theres grid edit which is lacking in the xl, and also a big part of my note editing. agreed on the slow processing in the xl too, it sux. the sound on xl i wouldnt say is better, but has a dif eq curve. like more mid/bass thud and a boosted hi end imo. the filter sweep sounds better to my ears.. but the 2500 filters can achieve a better sound with some time/tweeking/layering/know how.

i love my xl, and wish we could be better friends.. but 2500 w/jj is my **** buddy!


and if your using external midi then you'll appreciate the extra outs.. if your in oz you can buy my xl if you want though...

padlock wrote:like more mid/bass thud and a boosted hi end imo. the filter sweep sounds better to my ears..

That's awesome...because when the 2000/2000XL was released, the commments you heard was that they sound "thin".

Since you own both units, why don't use post samples of each MPC.