Rotary Encoders on MPC 2500 and 1000, specs

That-1-DJ wrote:

_Stilo_ wrote:And what do you expect from that then? A more "solid feel" just because it's metal now? Forget it.

Metal is more solid than plastic , is it not. as stated above metal with some type of bearings you can't go wrong, with a proper design of course.

Yea right, and that makes it better, because the wheel is held by a metal ring instead of plastic.

You guys can not even define what that "cheap feel" is you're ranting about...

_Stilo_ wrote:

That-1-DJ wrote:

_Stilo_ wrote:And what do you expect from that then? A more "solid feel" just because it's metal now? Forget it.

Metal is more solid than plastic , is it not. as stated above metal with some type of bearings you can't go wrong, with a proper design of course.

Yea right, and that makes it better, because the wheel is held by a metal ring instead of plastic.

You guys can not even define what that "cheap feel" is you're ranting about...

I promise you that all of the previous data wheels more than likely have a combination of stronger plastic and metal. "Tell me I'm wrong".

That-1-DJ wrote:I promise you that all of the previous data wheels more than likely have a combination of stronger plastic and metal. "Tell me I'm wrong".

Have you ever seen a 2000XL data wheel/encoder?

When I had one I was satisfied with the performance of the dial so therefore I never had a need to remove it out of curiosity, to see what cheap piece of crap plastic layed up underneath.

it feels like a fisher price fishing rod. A bit wobbely and flexible(like a laundry detergent bottle.) A metal ring would probably fix the wobbly issue, and a metal wheel would fix the flexible issue. There you go, im a genius.

The dial on the 2500 feels solid... it's just that in use it sounds like a stick being dragged along a metal fence!

Tapuno wrote:A metal ring would probably fix the wobbly issue, and a metal wheel would fix the flexible issue.

So you mean your data wheels surface is "flexible" right? Then you must have gotten a rubber part by accident, cause mine feels as solid as a metal piece would.

Put a plastic one and an aluminum one side by side in the same color, and I bet none of you guys could tell the difference.

Does someone have the MPC 1000 data sheet..?

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Newbie here and first post so go easy guys ! I am used to the 3000 and 2000xl but am moving on to the 2500 with jjos. I prefer the build quality of the older mp but I need the audio tracks and extra sample time as I am 100% working inside the mp mainly recording my own audio from various acoustic instruments and my old minimoog. And before any one says it I absolutely do not want to use a Daw or sync to a hardisk recorder. This is the workflow that suits me and I just want to master one piece of kit working within these creative limitations .There Ive got that out the way !

Anyways I HATE THE SHIT JOG WHEEL . and had some thoughts.

I was thinking of replacing the rotary encoder and getting my tech to do the mod on the board. In theory could an encoder from a 2000, 2000xl or 3000 work ?

Modding the board to take it is easily done ( I have a good tech )
machining a new data wheel to fit both the replacement encoder and diameter of the hole in the top panel is also easy.

The only unanswered question I have is would the values then be hugely different and the jog wheel increments behave way too fast or way too slow .

Any thoughts ideas ? I will report back soon with any findings.

Had a chat about the problems with the rec-gain pot on my 2500 with Renato Rizoli.
A few days later he had them in stock! Now my 2500 has a loud clear stereo signal to sample from once again.
I'm really happy with http://www.renato-rizoli.com/shop/en/. Great service, good selection of spareparts and much cheaper prices than http://www.mpcstuff.com!

Rec gain pot. http://www.renato-rizoli.com/shop/en/mpc2500/176-rec-potentiometer-for-mpc2500.html

Main vol / Q-Link pot. http://www.renato-rizoli.com/shop/en/spare-parts/175-qlink-main-vol-potentiometer-for-mpc2500.html

Mouser has encoder for MPC-2500, I think I saw the encoder for MPC-1000 as well (I saw them on Mouser's catalog), although I don't know if they are in stock though.
Off topic, but I think 4000 uses optical encoder, so it lasts really long (theatrically, at least.)
According to the spec sheet, 2500's encoder last longer than 2000XL's encoder, but the feel of the rotary encoder is other matter. I think I saw on YouTube that putting weight on the wheel help improving the feel of the encoder.

2000XL's encoder is not so good neither (the wheel is just too big for that type of rotary encoder to handle, I think), but it is very common parts, so it is easy to find & replace, if you are comfortable with soldering. I've bought a bulk of encoders from mouser, they are less than 2 bucks each.

Coz wrote:The dial on the 2500 feels solid... it's just that in use it sounds like a stick being dragged along a metal fence!

thats what i thought.

JVC wrote:Mouser has encoder for MPC-2500, I think I saw the encoder for MPC-1000 as well (I saw them on Mouser's catalog), although I don't know if they are in stock though.

I've been looking for a replacement encoder for my 1000, they're seemingly very tricky to get hold of. There's another thread that I posted in somewhere which has the spec sheet (taken from another thread). It's important to get the number of clicks/cycles etc... Otherwise you can end up twisting the knob one click and skipping two digits at a time in the OS.

JJOS does have have an option in the menu for two jog wheel types I think, but it didn't work for me on either of those.

From researching it's important to note which encoder your 1000 originally comes with if you're looking to replace it. If it originally had a plastic encoder you're more or less f*cked unless you want to replace the full board which MPC Stuff sell.

Details can be found here:

http://www.mpc-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=143117&hilit=mpc+1000+rotary+encoder

JVC wrote: (theatrically, at least.)

Not being picky but this genuinely made me laugh. Good work JVC

scoobylol wrote:...

JVC wrote: (theatrically, at least.)

Not being picky but this genuinely made me laugh. Good work JVC

Ahh, I meant "theoretically", LOL!

Back to the topic, I don't own MPC-1000, so I haven't really researched on the parts. But I think 1000's rotary encoder is more common than 2500's.