90's drums

I know some people are going to be very upset by this topic, but ohh well. I have been thinking about making this thread for about two months now and want some input. I want to start collecting hip hop vinyl from the 90's that has open drum breaks. I was wondering if anyone had anything to input or some possible breaks to dig for. (Example-Mobb Deep-The Infamous) That album has drums breaks that are dope. I was wondering if anyone had any other ones. Im skeptical about buying hiphop on vinyl that doesnt have replay value because that shit is expensive for no reason. The Infamous album is like $15 on ebay but I love the album. If you purist have hate about sampling hip hop drums, its cool.

well, you could use those websites like the breaks to find out who used what... however, those sites may also help you discover where those producers got their breaks from and buy those records...

^^^^what he said.

mr_debauch wrote:well, you could use those websites like the breaks to find out who used what... however, those sites may also help you discover where those producers got their breaks from and buy those records...

Yeah, I already do that. Sometimes they're listed, but most of the times the sample only lists the musical parts and not the drums. Also the original drum loop from like the Skull Snaps sounds nothing like the hip hop record after the producer has layered, added effects, compressed them, eq'd them, and run them through old gear/ MPC's.

of course... but that is what separates the sound of the original break... and their unique signature sound....

I highly recommend you create your own signature sound what ever path you take to achieve that instead of frankensteining already made hip hop beats together.

here lets me help:

the first result on google pasted for you to check out

http://www.cratekings.com/300-classic-hip-hop-drum-breaks-samples-and-loops/

I don't really like sampling drums from hip-hop songs, but i did it a few times.
I'm not sure these are breaks, i think it's mostly single drum hits, but I found dope drums on the Percee P album Perseverance(Madlib remix). There are also the drums of Livin' proof, and those of D Original by Jeru.
And a lot of tracks produced by J Dilla(Won't do, Fall in love, Mind power...)

anybody knows this book?
Freddy Fresh - the RE:SAMPLING dictionary 2008 -- http://www.hhv.de/hitem_139114.html

very useful book
on the back cover there are...

The Commandments Of Diggers:

-Always bring this book with you.
-Don't trust the 'mint condition'.
-Always look for the original press.
-Go check through the record store's rack A-Z, even the boxes on the floor.
-Remember to put the plastic cover for your precious collections.
-Get one for the listening, one for display, and one for your storage.
-Get the cheaper price than other diggers.
-Don't hesitate to scratch your vinyl.
-Don't forget to keep turning on your equipments.
-Keep spinning your turntable 24/7.
-Don't care about what your mama says.
-Dump the **** who complains about crate diggin.
-Be calm when you find the rare piece at the store.
-Keep diggin' even in your dreams ...But hey, those are just about a piece of plastic, you know?

jjbing3 wrote:

mr_debauch wrote: Also the original drum loop from like the Skull Snaps sounds nothing like the hip hop record after the producer has layered, added effects, compressed them, eq'd them, and run them through old gear/ MPC's.

you mean after the producer customized the 'ok' sounding drums and made them bang.... you wanna steal those?

do you, but dont expect your mixing game/layering game/creativity to excel if ur just gonna take prelayered drums

yer finding it for $15 on ebay cause you aren't trying very hard ... you are typing in exactly what you want, and getting it. you have to pay for that. 'digging' on ebay is an oxymoron.

you can probably find that record, or another one like it, if you do some actual 'digging' locally. even if you dont find that same record, there are THOUSANDS of 90s rappers that didn't make it, and their records are usually super cheap. a friend of mine once rescued a couple HUNDRED 90s rap 12"s out of the dumpster. total cost - $0.

also, if you stop looking for albums and start looking for 12"s, most of those have instrumental versions on them.

but yea, if you are gonna sample 90's hip hop to make 90's hip hop - that's lame if you ask me. now if you sample 90's hip hop and make bluegrass, we're on to something, but if you sample some banging drums just to be like 'check out the banging drums' then i think people will see through it.

i mean by all means, do it, have fun, make good stuff, but part of the magic of actually digging is that, the records come to you, know what i mean? at that point you are not totally in control and there is something beautiful about turning some of it over to fate like that, and doing your thing with input from a wider force external to yourself, know what im sayin?

there's your sermon for this week.

mr_debauch wrote:of course... but that is what separates the sound of the original break... and their unique signature sound....

I highly recommend you create your own signature sound what ever path you take to achieve that instead of frankensteining already made hip hop beats together.

here lets me help:

the first result on google pasted for you to check out

http://www.cratekings.com/300-classic-hip-hop-drum-breaks-samples-and-loops/

I got those already and many more. I understand the signature sound debate but no matter what I sample, I'm still going to customize them myself. Whats to say that you cant take 90's drums and layer those to make a better sound.

Borat wrote:I don't really like sampling drums from hip-hop songs, but i did it a few times.
I'm not sure these are breaks, i think it's mostly single drum hits, but I found dope drums on the Percee P album Perseverance(Madlib remix). There are also the drums of Livin' proof, and those of D Original by Jeru.
And a lot of tracks produced by J Dilla(Won't do, Fall in love, Mind power...)

Good looking, Imma check that out. I'm not looking for a break to just loop. Im going to chop drum hits, reprogram and customize. Thanks

thx wrote:anybody knows this book?
Freddy Fresh - the RE:SAMPLING dictionary 2008 -- http://www.hhv.de/hitem_139114.html

very useful book
on the back cover there are...

The Commandments Of Diggers:

-Always bring this book with you.
-Don't trust the 'mint condition'.
-Always look for the original press.
-Go check through the record store's rack A-Z, even the boxes on the floor.
-Remember to put the plastic cover for your precious collections.
-Get one for the listening, one for display, and one for your storage.
-Get the cheaper price than other diggers.
-Don't hesitate to scratch your vinyl.
-Don't forget to keep turning on your equipments.
-Keep spinning your turntable 24/7.
-Don't care about what your mama says.
-Dump the **** who complains about crate diggin.
-Be calm when you find the rare piece at the store.
-Keep diggin' even in your dreams ...But hey, those are just about a piece of plastic, you know?

Looks like a dope book, Imma try to find it. Lol at the list.

tapedeck wrote:yer finding it for $15 on ebay cause you aren't trying very hard ... you are typing in exactly what you want, and getting it. you have to pay for that. 'digging' on ebay is an oxymoron.

you can probably find that record, or another one like it, if you do some actual 'digging' locally. even if you dont find that same record, there are THOUSANDS of 90s rappers that didn't make it, and their records are usually super cheap. a friend of mine once rescued a couple HUNDRED 90s rap 12"s out of the dumpster. total cost - $0.

also, if you stop looking for albums and start looking for 12"s, most of those have instrumental versions on them.

but yea, if you are gonna sample 90's hip hop to make 90's hip hop - that's lame if you ask me. now if you sample 90's hip hop and make bluegrass, we're on to something, but if you sample some banging drums just to be like 'check out the banging drums' then i think people will see through it.

i mean by all means, do it, have fun, make good stuff, but part of the magic of actually digging is that, the records come to you, know what i mean? at that point you are not totally in control and there is something beautiful about turning some of it over to fate like that, and doing your thing with input from a wider force external to yourself, know what im sayin?

there's your sermon for this week.

Yeah, well, finding vinyl here has become harder to find. I dont know any vinyl store around here. I get all my vinyl from this dude with a huge collection. He buys in bulk and then I get to come get what I want for a dollar a piece. He doesnt have any hip hop though. He has jazz, blues, rock, rnb, etc... Im looking around though. Ebay was just my first place to look. As far as sampling 90s hip hop drums to make 90's hip hop, well it goes back to the argument of if you and I both sample the Detroit Emeralds drum break and use it does our songs sound the same and is a pure listener or rapper gonna give a damn where the drums came from? Nope. Raekwon-Incarcerated Scarfaces is just as dope as Diamond D- I Went For Mine.

again, im not saying dont do it, more power to you...im saying put in the work to make it your own if you do go that route. i think we are on the same page.

homedude selling you the records for $1 sounds legit. thats a pretty cool hookup.

you can find records at many places that aren't record stores - thrift stores, garage sales, pawn shops - that's where you need to be looking.

did i mention dumpsters?

do you have any friends who clean out apartments for rental companies? lots of people will leave entire collections when they move cause they dont want to move them. ask around, meet people, work at it. you'll get what you need

thx wrote:anybody knows this book?
Freddy Fresh - the RE:SAMPLING dictionary 2008 -- http://www.hhv.de/hitem_139114.html

very useful book
on the back cover there are...

The Commandments Of Diggers:

-Always bring this book with you.
-Don't trust the 'mint condition'.
-Always look for the original press.
-Go check through the record store's rack A-Z, even the boxes on the floor.
-Remember to put the plastic cover for your precious collections.
-Get one for the listening, one for display, and one for your storage.
-Get the cheaper price than other diggers.
-Don't hesitate to scratch your vinyl.
-Don't forget to keep turning on your equipments.
-Keep spinning your turntable 24/7.
-Don't care about what your mama says.
-Dump the **** who complains about crate diggin.
-Be calm when you find the rare piece at the store.
-Keep diggin' even in your dreams ...But hey, those are just about a piece of plastic, you know?

Freddy Fresh is a member here, but I've only come across old posts by him. I'm a big fan of his album The Last True Family Man from the late 90s.