Technical questions for the MPC2000xl and the MPC2000
By Copperhaze Thu Apr 08, 2010 6:36 pm
Quick question here. When I used to play a bass line over a beat on my 2000 (non XL) I would set one long bass sample to note off and then use 16 levels with note variation/tuning to play the bass. When I would touch each pad even if it were one directly after another quickly it would play out no prob. On my 2000xl I tried using the same method and sometimes when I hit one pad after another too quickly the second hit will not take for some reason. Almost as if it gets cut off. Any idea what I am doing wrong? If I play in mono it works fine...but I can't control the length of the bass sample so easily without having multiple samples.

Thanks for any help!
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By Lampdog Thu Apr 08, 2010 6:51 pm
Try using the params, start/end and decay time tweaking, you can get it to be mono like how you use to do it
on 2k and then the bassline will play as long as your finger is on the pad, and with that tweaking you will also find how
when you let the pad go, the sample will die off slowly of fast with a fade out. I use to do that when looping a sample
and setting it to mono, then tweaking params. I'm not in front of my mpc so I can't say exactly how but it can be done.
By AoyamaJPN Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:08 am
I apologize for resurrecting this thread, but I cannot seem to get past this. I understand how to make a bass sound (from just about anything), pitch it to fit the sample and assing to 16 levels. I can even hear the bassline in my head and map it out on the pads, BUT I cannot get the bass sounds to record so they don't cut off!

The only way I got it to work is with the step editor, but that takes so much time. I also tried messing with decay settings, which worked, but it doesn't sound the way it should as the decay way too long. Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong. or point me in the right direction?

How do you guys bang out basslines without it getting cut off? This is driving me crazy!

Thanks!
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By Lampdog Fri Dec 30, 2011 2:23 pm
Did you try setting the poly to OFF.

It's called VOICE OVERLAP pg 126 2kxl manual I think.

If you set that to NOTE OFF and then set 16 levels on the bassline sample, each pad in the 16 level will cut each other off. Is that what you were looking for?

In step edit setting that decay for each note is a long process, lol, I used to do that too.
By AoyamaJPN Fri Dec 30, 2011 4:57 pm
Thanks for the reply Lamp, appreciate it!

That's the issue, if I make a bass sound myself, it uses the LOOP function. If LOOP is ON, I cannot assign from NOTE OFF to POLY.

I'm going to reference the manual too. But, maybe I'm doing something wrong with the sound itself. I thought I could copy just about any sound, pick a point and LOOP it to get bass sound... but LOOPs can only be used as NOTE OFF (which is making 16 levels cut off)?

Thanks again!
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By Lampdog Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:11 pm
i think i remember running into that same problem a while back. Now i get it. When i get home in a couple of hours I'll try and figure out how i got past it. It's been a while since i lit up my 2kxl but I have actually been wanting to power up for a few days now, i just haven't had the time. I'll post back here after I check into that.
By JVC Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:34 pm
AoyamaJPN, I think you are right, sample looping can only be used on "NOTE OFF". For "MONO" and "POLY" setting, it plays end of the end point, so loop setting does not apply. Therefore, 16 level cannot be used, if you want to the bass sample to cut each other (like legato).
You should use Auto Chromatic assignment. On XL, you can use up to 4 program at the same time, so just make a chromatic key program (you don't have to use Auto Chromatic assignment, it can be created manually as well)
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By Lampdog Fri Dec 30, 2011 9:21 pm
Aiight so yeah, I remember since I just jumped on it. yep, LOOP ON makes NOTE OFF only show up in shift 6, drums, params screen. Now, when you hold the pad down off course you get your bassline until you let up off of it, good. JVC is on point.

Me, I used to do this same 16 levels thing sometimes, but I'd also mess with the decay
between 0-30 also. That decay would give the bassline a bass tail decay as soon as you let up off the pad. That just now and same as I remember gave me good programmed basslines. I hit the pads in 16 levels many times and at the same times just now and I had no problem. I used a pure sinewave, freq=0 and res=0 in params. Tuned SW sample to 440hz, normal stuff nothing fancy at all, of course you can tune it down it to make it a bass, no problem, outboard filtering before sampling into mpc never hurts at all either.

The whole sample is about 2 seconds long BUT I would loop trim to about 10-20 cycles (up to down wave x 50 = 100 cycles) inside the sample itself, I didn't start the bassline at the beginning, I went inside the sample somewhere, anywhere, not from start and not from end and then did my loop points. Trim would start at exact begining on the up swing of the waveform.

I've done basslines like that for years and never had a problem at all.

I don't know if that helps but that's how I did it before and I just recreated it now and it works fine for me.
By AoyamaJPN Sun Jan 01, 2012 8:52 pm
thanks for the replies!

i think my problem is that when i make a bass sound i just take a few cycles, i am not cutting pasting to make a long sample (long meaning around 2sec).

i tried autochromatic and messing decay, but they still cut off. again, i think my problem is with making the bass sound itself.

i am going to try a longer cycle, which essentially means creating a new sound by copy and pasting, in which case, i will not really need to loop and can just use mono.

i will also try looping longer cycles and make sure the start and a end are at the right points.

i think my issue is that i was making the bass sound with just one cycle...

thanks again!
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By Lampdog Mon Jan 02, 2012 12:04 am
use however many cycles you want until it sounds right to you. Sounds you need to experiment a little more until you get what you want. It won't happen over night, takes patience and practice to create your own bass.