Renaissance Vs. Maschine

They forgot about the double press stop button.....to kill all audio no matter what. like a panic button. Say you got a pad with a long sample loaded, and you are chopping it up, as you are pressing the pad, moving the start point around, then say you want to jump to another sound or pad, or screen...........you have to wait for the long sample to stop playing or hit the engine power button with the mouse. it sucks actually.

on the mpc, you'd just hit stop 2 times and it would stop all sound. very useful feature if you are chopping.

For me the question is can I use the MPC Renaissance without a computer? I had enough issues with Maschine that I refuse to mess with bus-powered anymore. If I can use it without my computer, but be able to integrate it with my computer when I need to, then I can see myself shelling out the extra $ for the Renaissance. If not, then it better be able to compete with Maschine's price.

If this is not a standalone device , $1,000 is crazy.
I have a maschine ( although I have not had time to learn much on it ) and a 2500 as well as a 2000XL. I have an MBOX , I have pro tools. This having a sound card built in is ok but NOT $1,000 worth of ok for just a midi controller.
Let's be real , Nukai probably only made this because NI was getting that Maschine money. NI showed that there was $ to get there and Nukai wants to capitalize on that and exploit the market ( you and me ). That's business. However considering the ethics of the same company that has been putting out devices with bugs for years and not giving a damn about the customers or their legacy products and support for the same , I'll hold off on buying this AND $1,000 is crazy.
Who knows how this software is gonna pan out? I hope for the best and a lot of us having been wanting something like this from them from a long time back and look how long it's taken. These guys are unreliable and untrustworthy. And greedy.
$1,000? n1gga please. And damn , some of these people havent even touched it and or seen how it actually works and the scope of what it can do but cant wait to throw their $1,000 out there. These are the customers nukai wants and this is why they have been able to get away with crappy customer service. Be a better consumer and demand more for your money. I know maschine leaves a bit to be desired but at least NI has great customer service and they have provided updates. You want to COMPETE with them or knock them out? Be BETTER than them and priced lower than them or close to them.Don't just make a midi device that looks like an MPC with a sound card , throw in half way decent looking but bug filled software and try to stick it to us. Many of us have been loyal customers for years and probably will be for many to come. Appreciate that and cultivate a relationship. Have some respect for YOUR legacy like we do. IF the build quality is straight and this is not a stand alone I'd say it's not worth more than maschine price plus $100. But with the "quality" of nukai software I doubt I'll be buying this unless I sold my maschine and only had to throw in a few bucks. I'd pick this up used for less and try it later or when the excitement wears off.

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me2son wrote: IF the build quality is straight and this is not a stand alone I'd say it's not worth more than maschine price plus $100.

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I think $800-1000 is fair. It's basically like maschine with a built-in mbox. Maschine = $600, mbox = about $550. But the thing is who needs another interface?!

DJ Hellfire wrote:I think $800-1000 is fair. It's basically like maschine with a built-in mbox. Maschine = $600, mbox = about $550. But the thing is who needs another interface?!

Maybe with the studio version its slimmed down in that regard - like just a controller, or a smaller interface.

DJ Hellfire wrote:I think $800-1000 is fair. It's basically like maschine with a built-in mbox. Maschine = $600, mbox = about $550. But the thing is who needs another interface?!

It has built-in features that are typically found on hardware MPCs such as

• Two XLR-1/4” combo inputs
• Turntable input
• Four 1/4" outputs
• SPDIF digital I/O
• Two MIDI inputs and four MIDI outputs
• Four-channel US B 2.0 audio interface and two-port US B 2.0 hub built in
• Inputs for headphones

While I have always used the MIDI outputs on my MPCs, I plan on finally exploring the VST capabilities of hardware workstations. When Korg finally releases the plugin editor for my Kronos (and after my Kronos is repaired ), I plan to use it within the MPC Ren.

1,000 is a good price, peeps complaining about not needing another interface but when u buy another mpc ur in effect getting another interface.

forget standalone most of the time ur making beats with a computer nearby ur using a daw and ur running vsts so dont make a big deal long as u can do all the functions on the controller ur good.

im ready to ditch maschine and cop, the maschine looks like a controller the mpc looks like real gears that happens to be a controller.

this new unit is what i wanted 10 years ago , so i gotta have it or the studio.

maschine is fun cos its quick and simple but the controller aint real its just functional.

however ni got better looking software

jpeg wrote:when u buy another mpc ur in effect getting another interface.

No you're not! An interface is was allows your external audio sources to come into your software which you cannot do with just a regular MPC alone. With Renaissance, I'm sure that most people that buy it already have some sort of interface for sampling or recording to their computer.

And what you said about Maschine not being real is just misinformation IMO. Maschine controlling the software is no different than using a keyboard to control your MPC. You wouldn't say your keyboard is "not real". Only difference between an MPC and Maschine is MPC's brains are internal, Maschine's are external! But in the end, they both do just about the same shit. You're forgetting that one of the most important purposes of Maschine is it's portability. With all of the power on your laptop, not many people doing live gigs need all that extra bloat hardware!

jpeg wrote:forget standalone most of the time ur making beats with a computer nearby ur using a daw and ur running vsts so dont make a big deal long as u can do all the functions on the controller ur good.

Ding Ding Ding! For me, if I can't take Renaissance and sample some shit and save it without being connected to a computer, then it's interface is useless to me. And I think it will be that way for most people that already have a DAW rig in which they already have an interface!

The one positive thing I would say about the MPC's built in interface is you can easily sample any source on the road and only have your laptop and MPC. With Maschine, sure the controller is small and light weight, but in addition to a laptop, if you want to be able to sample any source you need to also carry an interface. But this would mainly only be an issue for a sample based producer, which a lot of customers are not. However, I think most people going on the road not bringing a turntable along would have samples already loaded and ready to chop.

MPCRENAISSANCE wrote:The renaissance is a different product than the Maschine. Not only does the build quality look far superior it also has a sound-card with 4 outputs and inputs for sampling. The Maschine is a Toy!!

This is what we've all been waiting for!! Integration with our DAW. People only purchased the Maschine cause nothing else was available to offer the integration we all wanted. Producers are all wanting speed/Gig's of Library/VST-AU Support etc and the MPC2500 Etc didn't offer those facilities to the end user...hence why many people jumped on Maschine purely as a substitute.

This is what i'm waiting for!!!!!!! Bring it on!!

No disrespect, but Maschine is not a toy! I own the mpc5000, mv8000, and maschine. Maschine's workflow is fast! im thinking about selling the mpc5000 and the mv8000 and buy the Ren, but im keeping Maschine!

jpeg wrote:1,000 is a good price, peeps complaining about not needing another interface but when u buy another mpc ur in effect getting another interface.

forget standalone most of the time ur making beats with a computer nearby ur using a daw and ur running vsts so dont make a big deal long as u can do all the functions on the controller ur good.

im ready to ditch maschine and cop, the maschine looks like a controller the mpc looks like real gears that happens to be a controller.

this new unit is what i wanted 10 years ago , so i gotta have it or the studio.

maschine is fun cos its quick and simple but the controller aint real its just functional.

however ni got better looking software

The Maschine controller is designed for easy transport, thats why it's light weight. It's a solid aluminum controller, and the pads are great imo! The Ren isn't designed for easy transport, chances are the studio will be.

DJ Hellfire wrote: You're forgetting that one of the most important purposes of Maschine is it's portability. With all of the power on your laptop, not many people doing live gigs need all that extra bloat hardware!

Mistamixx wrote:The Maschine controller is designed for easy transport, thats why it's light weight. It's a solid aluminum controller, and the pads are great imo! The Ren isn't desgined for easy transport, chances are the studio will be.

You guys seriously need to get your weight up.

People are doing live gigs with just their MPC 2500 and hard disk full of samples.....its still portable. Maybe not in a back-pack riding on a train portable. But carry it from your car to the venue you are performing at portable. I am guessing that this unit is lighter....

JAH wrote:

DJ Hellfire wrote: You're forgetting that one of the most important purposes of Maschine is it's portability. With all of the power on your laptop, not many people doing live gigs need all that extra bloat hardware!

Mistamixx wrote:The Maschine controller is designed for easy transport, thats why it's light weight. It's a solid aluminum controller, and the pads are great imo! The Ren isn't desgined for easy transport, chances are the studio will be.

You guys seriously need to get your weight up.

People are doing live gigs with just their MPC 2500 and hard disk full of samples.....its still portable. Maybe not in a back-pack riding on a train portable. But carry it from your car to the venue you are performing at portable. I am guessing that this unit is lighter....

The problem is you need to drop the dead weight(mpc2500) grasshopper lol. You can put the maschine controller, laptop, keyboard controller, and external hard drive in a laptop bag. Loading sounds is close to instant, and songs load in less than 5 seconds. I come from Emu sp12, sp1200 to the mpc60II i purchased them new when they first came out.You was probably rockin huggies, or still nut and egg.lol I've been doing this for more than 20 years! I own the mv8000, mpc5000,and maschine. the mv8000, 2500, and the 5000 can't touch maschines speed and flow. Maschine runs 32bit and 64bit. Maschine is a BEAST! i hope the Ren is what we think it is.

it wins hands down on the looks department!
that is all

Mistamixx wrote:

JAH wrote:

DJ Hellfire wrote: You're forgetting that one of the most important purposes of Maschine is it's portability. With all of the power on your laptop, not many people doing live gigs need all that extra bloat hardware!

Mistamixx wrote:The Maschine controller is designed for easy transport, thats why it's light weight. It's a solid aluminum controller, and the pads are great imo! The Ren isn't desgined for easy transport, chances are the studio will be.

You guys seriously need to get your weight up.

People are doing live gigs with just their MPC 2500 and hard disk full of samples.....its still portable. Maybe not in a back-pack riding on a train portable. But carry it from your car to the venue you are performing at portable. I am guessing that this unit is lighter....

The problem is you need to drop the dead weight(mpc2500) grasshopper lol. You can put the maschine controller, laptop, keyboard controller, and external hard drive in a laptop bag. Loading sounds is close to instant, and songs load in less than 5 seconds. I come from Emu sp12, sp1200 to the mpc60II i purchased them new when they first came out.You was probably rockin huggies, or still nut and egg.lol I've been doing this for more than 20 years! I own the mv8000, mpc5000,and maschine. the mv8000, 2500, and the 5000 can't touch maschines speed and flow. Maschine runs 32bit and 64bit. Maschine is a BEAST! i hope the Ren is what we think it is.

We must acknowlede that their are folks that don't want the Ren or Maschine regardless of what benefits we say they have.

I am not trying to convince anyone to buy any one particular MPC. They are all good minus one. I am saying the MPC 2500 is a beast and great for live performances...Maschine can't match it IMHO. Once I get the Ren...they only reason why I would need to touch Maschine is to upgrade to 2.0 when they should have new hardware. Feature-wise there isn't anything NI could add that would impress me with the current controller.