If suggested pricing is correct, I think it is still wrong !

$799 for the REN and $499 for the Studio ?

Look, the Studio should of been squarely set around the $350 mark. This would effectively make it the 'go to' machine over the NI Mikro and fully fledged maschine. here in the Uk, the fully fledged maschine can be bought for £429 now. I would expect the Studio to undercut this, so that it becomes the automatci preference ?

As with the REN, I would of hoped that Nukai had set it around £500, but I am now hearing they are aiming for £800. This is plain greedy and it is till, afterall, a controller, period ! I am very disappointed with the pricing suggested, if it turns out to be correct.

if you want to blow the compeition out of the ater, then do it properly, Nukai ! Price the units in a very appealing way and as demand begins to outsrip supply, push you units price up at that point. Don't dive into the marlet with a greedy attitude, though !!

inthemix wrote:$799 for the REN and $499 for the Studio ?

Look, the Studio should of been squarely set around the $350 mark. This would effectively make it the 'go to' machine over the NI Mikro and fully fledged maschine. here in the Uk, the fully fledged maschine can be bought for £429 now. I would expect the Studio to undercut this, so that it becomes the automatci preference ?

As with the REN, I would of hoped that Nukai had set it around £500, but I am now hearing they are aiming for £800. This is plain greedy and it is till, afterall, a controller, period ! I am very disappointed with the pricing suggested, if it turns out to be correct.

if you want to blow the compeition out of the ater, then do it properly, Nukai ! Price the units in a very appealing way and as demand begins to outsrip supply, push you units price up at that point. Don't dive into the marlet with a greedy attitude, though !!

It's because the Ren has a built in audio interface which the Maschine does not.

So take it from the perspective of a person who has nothing but a computer (US pricing here).
Maschine ($599) + Mbox3 ($549) = $1149
MPC Ren ($800-1000) + Nothing ($0) = $800-1000


I used Mbox3 because it's the closest thing I could think of to an interface comparable to what's in the Ren. But you can substitute it for whatever comparable interface you like. I think it's still pretty even.

The MPC Studio is more comparable to Maschine (not the Mikro). Therefore it's fair to be priced around the same.

DJ Hellfire wrote:

inthemix wrote:$799 for the REN and $499 for the Studio ?

Look, the Studio should of been squarely set around the $350 mark. This would effectively make it the 'go to' machine over the NI Mikro and fully fledged maschine. here in the Uk, the fully fledged maschine can be bought for £429 now. I would expect the Studio to undercut this, so that it becomes the automatci preference ?

As with the REN, I would of hoped that Nukai had set it around £500, but I am now hearing they are aiming for £800. This is plain greedy and it is till, afterall, a controller, period ! I am very disappointed with the pricing suggested, if it turns out to be correct.

if you want to blow the compeition out of the ater, then do it properly, Nukai ! Price the units in a very appealing way and as demand begins to outsrip supply, push you units price up at that point. Don't dive into the marlet with a greedy attitude, though !!

It's because the Ren has a built in audio interface which the Maschine does not.

So take it from the perspective of a person who has nothing but a computer (US pricing here).
Maschine ($599) + Mbox3 ($549) = $1149
MPC Ren ($800-1000) + Nothing ($0) = $800-1000


I used Mbox3 because it's the closest thing I could think of to an interface comparable to what's in the Ren. But you can substitute it for whatever comparable interface you like. I think it's still pretty even.

The MPC Studio is more comparable to Maschine (not the Mikro). Therefore it's fair to be priced around the same.

That is a really good way to look at it!

I would buy Maschine for twice that amount if the new "HellPhones" came with it!

Im on it no matter what.

Looked at that way, I can see the point. Ok, I retract ( cuts a large slice of 'Humble Pie' ).

I think akai went over some peeps head.I wonder what the audio resolution is? if it can go up to 192 k ?

rookie wrote:I think akai went over some peeps head.I wonder what the audio resolution is? if it can go up to 192 k ?

As opposed to 48k or 96k?

krush777 wrote:

DJ Hellfire wrote:

inthemix wrote:$799 for the REN and $499 for the Studio ?

Look, the Studio should of been squarely set around the $350 mark. This would effectively make it the 'go to' machine over the NI Mikro and fully fledged maschine. here in the Uk, the fully fledged maschine can be bought for £429 now. I would expect the Studio to undercut this, so that it becomes the automatci preference ?

As with the REN, I would of hoped that Nukai had set it around £500, but I am now hearing they are aiming for £800. This is plain greedy and it is till, afterall, a controller, period ! I am very disappointed with the pricing suggested, if it turns out to be correct.

if you want to blow the compeition out of the ater, then do it properly, Nukai ! Price the units in a very appealing way and as demand begins to outsrip supply, push you units price up at that point. Don't dive into the marlet with a greedy attitude, though !!

It's because the Ren has a built in audio interface which the Maschine does not.

So take it from the perspective of a person who has nothing but a computer (US pricing here).
Maschine ($599) + Mbox3 ($549) = $1149
MPC Ren ($800-1000) + Nothing ($0) = $800-1000


I used Mbox3 because it's the closest thing I could think of to an interface comparable to what's in the Ren. But you can substitute it for whatever comparable interface you like. I think it's still pretty even.

The MPC Studio is more comparable to Maschine (not the Mikro). Therefore it's fair to be priced around the same.

That is a really good way to look at it!

I would buy Maschine for twice that amount if the new "HellPhones" came with it!

im hoping NI drops the price of maschine or bundles some goodies with it that forces akai to drop thier price.

JAH wrote:

rookie wrote:I think akai went over some peeps head.I wonder what the audio resolution is? if it can go up to 192 k ?

As opposed to 48k or 96k?[/quote
yea.

Well buying and fixing broken mpc's for resale for some time I can safely say this:msrp is not retail. Look at the 5000 for example. Msrp started at 3599 and now brand new units are going for around 1500-2000. Same with the 2500 as its msrp was 2599 and eventually dropped to around 1g-1100. So it will start off at that price but it will slowly die as time progresses and soon brand new rens will be around 4-500 and studios in the 250 mark. If that's the introductory price I say that's Damn good.

rookie wrote:I think akai went over some peeps head.I wonder what the audio resolution is? if it can go up to 192 k ?

JAH wrote:As opposed to 48k or 96k?

rookie wrote:yea.

Well...let's do the math. Everyone expects the Ren to come in under $1000. Most say it should be around $800. You didn't say whether you want the hardware or the software to support 192kHz so I am guessing you meant hardware. Taking a quick look at current USB audio interfaces...most under $500 only support 24 bit at 48kHz or 96kHz.

I think we can't have it both ways.. People can't expect the Ren to be sold for cheap and come with a highend AD/DA converters.

JAH wrote:

rookie wrote:I think akai went over some peeps head.I wonder what the audio resolution is? if it can go up to 192 k ?

JAH wrote:As opposed to 48k or 96k?

rookie wrote:yea.

Well...let's do the math. Everyone expects the Ren to come in under $1000. Most say it should be around $800. You didn't say whether you want the hardware or the software to support 192kHz so I am guessing you meant hardware. Taking a quick look at current USB audio interfaces...most under $500 only support 24 bit at 48kHz or 96kHz.

I think we can't have it both ways.. People can't expect the Ren to be sold for cheap and come with a highend AD/DA converters.

.... I'm not so sure ? High end converters are seriously overkill for literally 98% of the target market, so what's the point of even considering it ?? Tapuno made a decent point above about demand trends, but of course Nukai will have anticipated that at the time of setting it's market price, along with it's projection of how long it can maximise it's revenue from sales at that higher prices ... I guess this is what annoys me somewhat?! Nukai have a fantastic opportunity here to make a big splash with these units and an even bigger one to build a base for the products that will almost guarantee longivity in terms of sustainable prices - if they price very decently to begin with. I would still like to see the 'Studio' availabe here in the UK for around the £300 mark and the 'REN' at no more than £600 ... wishful thinking, I guess ?

inthemix wrote:

JAH wrote:

rookie wrote:I think akai went over some peeps head.I wonder what the audio resolution is? if it can go up to 192 k ?

JAH wrote:As opposed to 48k or 96k?

rookie wrote:yea.

Well...let's do the math. Everyone expects the Ren to come in under $1000. Most say it should be around $800. You didn't say whether you want the hardware or the software to support 192kHz so I am guessing you meant hardware. Taking a quick look at current USB audio interfaces...most under $500 only support 24 bit at 48kHz or 96kHz.

I think we can't have it both ways.. People can't expect the Ren to be sold for cheap and come with a highend AD/DA converters.

.... I'm not so sure ? High end converters are seriously overkill for literally 98% of the target market, so what's the point of even considering it ?? Tapuno made a decent point above about demand trends, but of course Nukai will have anticipated that at the time of setting it's market price, along with it's projection of how long it can maximise it's revenue from sales at that higher prices ... I guess this is what annoys me somewhat?! Nukai have a fantastic opportunity here to make a big splash with these units and an even bigger one to build a base for the products that will almost guarantee longivity in terms of sustainable prices - if they price very decently to begin with. I would still like to see the 'Studio' availabe here in the UK for around the £300 mark and the 'REN' at no more than £600 ... wishful thinking, I guess ?

I am not the one who suggested converters that operate at 192 kHz. Forget the Akai software and control surface for a minute. Just consider the sound card (2 XLR combo, turn table inputs, 4 analog outputs, digital SPDIF I/O) and MIDI (2 inputs + 4 outputs)....finding a comparable audio/MIDI interface alone can cost you $400 plus. Let's tack on $150 for the software...and $400 for the MPC Ren control surface. That is $950. For this to come in under $1000 US is very reasonable. If a potential buyer can't afford it or doesn't find great value at the price...he/she should save their money or choose not to buy it. Or go for the lower priced model. Complaining about the price..especially since real prices haven't been announced is....silly.

Wow, that's a bit of a defensive blast, isn't it ?!

I don't give a shit about 192 support either ! I don't use it, nor can I envisage needing it at any point in the near future - hence the point about it being 'overkill' made above !!

As for pricing of audio units and sequencing, you can go a damn sight cheaper than the £400 you quote ... at least here in the UK. Infact, there are plenty a decent free sequencer software to be found and decent enough quality audio units for as little as £100 here. So, ok, if your using a sequencer in a dedicated bit of software there will be a cost through licensing or third-party development of such, but you quote pricing that is difficult to substantiate and highly subjective at best ?!!

Then, turning to the hardware of the unit, you know as well as I that economies of scale make the fabrication of the unit pretty much a non-issue, at least assuming the units generate a lot of interest and demand remains high ? I would guess that each unit costs no more than £100 to make at best ?!

Oh, and please don't suggest that my viewpoint is 'silly' just because it doesn't accord with your own !
Afterall, who gave you a monopoly on sound judgement' ??

inthemix wrote:As for pricing of audio units and sequencing, you can go a damn sight cheaper than the £400 you quote ... at least here in the UK. Infact, there are plenty a decent free sequencer software to be found and decent enough quality audio units for as little as £100 here. So, ok, if your using a sequencer in a dedicated bit of software there will be a cost through licensing or third-party development of such, but you quote pricing that is difficult to substantiate and highly subjective at best ?!!

While it's true you can get a cheaper interface, it won't be completely comparable to what comes on the Ren. The $100 interface you mentioned might not even have midi at all and may only have 1 mic pre, as well as low end a/d converters. Ren has 2 mic pres (with phantom power), a phono input, and a ton of midi; and I would bet it at least has some decent converters in it.