AKAI FINALLY! what this means for music production.

Have you guys noticed how many new accounts have come in with so much knowledge about gear in the last couple weeks since the Ren was announced???

All these dudes with 1 to 5 posts and they immediately start praising Akai.

Well... I dont know about you guys but Im sure some of these new accounts are fakes!

Im used to seeing majority of our new members come in here asking how to turn on their MIDI or how to sample. [/quote]

Join date 2007 and only 4 posts? HA![/quote]





Your gonna see a lot of people pop up here .A akai fan-boy I am not.I don't have many post because,I know how to use MPCs,and S series samplers don't frequent the forum much (AND I AM NOT SAYING IN NO WAY THAT PEOPLE WHO POST HERE DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE A MPC) I am new to you because,I don't post here and really had no reason too because there is a wealth of users here who are veterans and answer those noobie MPC user questions. But my account isn't fake I speak for me and you heard dude on the akai NAAM vid they do be snooping on these forums lol.But on the real don't think I'm her to claim to be a expert and pump up Akai cause I am not here for that.Another thing, even though there wasn't a full demo of the units software wise, the hardware mpc's ran on processors probably equivalent to a cable box processor chip, so why wouldn't some think that the software based MPC would be trash running on a dual core,quad or i processor just think about? And me praising Akai! don't think so, they got a lot of my bread since 87,88 (lol) Maschine will still be here but this reminds me of when the MV800 made Akai do something different the same may happen to N.I when akai push the MPC.

As a person that started with FL Studio and moved to MPC, I feel the Ren is the best of both worlds. FL Studio Piano Roll and Plugin control - MPC Sequencing and chopping..

I used to love making my beats in FL and mastering the sound at the same time with VST's etc. Soon I can do this being powered by MPC. This is what I call work flow.

The MPC sequencer is unmatched. Whatever the model.

Mistamixx wrote:I've watched the namm video's of the Ren and Studio, the controllers look good, but THE SOFTWARE ISN'T FULLY OPERATIONAL!!! News Flash! Akai's track record when it comes to software/updates isn't the greatest. Don't get me wrong! i want the new line to workout, but anybody that thinks akai can compete with Native instruments in the software department is crazy! maybe one day but not now! The deal with Izotope is a good start. You can bet timestreching and a bunch of other features will be added to maschine's software before akai is ready to ship the Ren/Studio/Fly.

Rewind to Jan 2009 when Machine made its debut. OS was still in beta at the time. Maschine starts to ship in Mar with os 1.0.x...still pretty much in beta. It wasn't until Nov that year when OS 1.1 was released to fix numerous bugs and the OS still had flaws. It wasn't until OS 1.5 that Maschine users had a reason to get excited. And it still doesn't have numerous functions that 12 year old MPCs have.

Akai's history in this forum is well documented. Maschine's history is clearly documented at the NI Forum. But since it was 2-3 years ago...people tend to forget.

Do I think Akai can compete with NI when it comes to the software for their drum machines? Of course they can. NI hasn't done anything (features, stability, ease of use, etc) that would make me believe otherwise.

JAH wrote:

Mistamixx wrote:I've watched the namm video's of the Ren and Studio, the controllers look good, but THE SOFTWARE ISN'T FULLY OPERATIONAL!!! News Flash! Akai's track record when it comes to software/updates isn't the greatest. Don't get me wrong! i want the new line to workout, but anybody that thinks akai can compete with Native instruments in the software department is crazy! maybe one day but not now! The deal with Izotope is a good start. You can bet timestreching and a bunch of other features will be added to maschine's software before akai is ready to ship the Ren/Studio/Fly.

Rewind to Jan 2009 when Machine made its debut. OS was still in beta at the time. Maschine starts to ship in Mar with os 1.0.x...still pretty much in beta. It wasn't until Nov that year when OS 1.1 was released to fix numerous bugs and the OS still had flaws. It wasn't until OS 1.5 that Maschine users had a reason to get excited. And it still doesn't have numerous functions that 12 year old MPCs have.

Akai's history in this forum is well documented. Maschine's history is clearly documented at the NI Forum. But since it was 2-3 years ago...people tend to forget.

Do I think Akai can compete with NI when it comes to the software for their drum machines? Of course they can. NI hasn't done anything (features, stability, ease of use, etc) that would make me believe otherwise.

I'm starting to think u just talk about gear, because you can't compare any mpc to maschine since none of the mpc's made in the last 20 years is a dedicated controller/computer software package. Akai has been around for over 20 years and there finally getting around to doing what Native Instruments has done?? Akai should've been the first to merge hardware with computers. Now there playing catch up. Look at NI long list of software. i can't think of any software released by Akai except Roger Lynn's os revamped over and over again, and they still don't have that right.(my 5000 still has bugs) I wonder how many updates it's gonna take for Akai's new software to be solid? 1, 2, 3 years from the release date??? I hope not.

Mistamixx wrote:I'm starting to think u just talk about gear, because you can't compare any mpc to maschine since none of the mpc's made in the last 20 years is a dedicated controller/computer software package. Akai has been around for over 20 years and there finally getting around to doing what Native Instruments has done?? Akai should've been the first to merge hardware with computers. Now there playing catch up. Look at NI long list of software. i can't think of any software released by Akai except Roger Lynn os revamped over and over again, and they still don't have that right.(my 5000 still has bugs) I wonder how many updates it's gonna take for Akai's new software to be solid? 1, 2, 3 years from the release date???

I am more than happy to have an adult conversation about my favorite hobby. I talk about gear becuase I am a gearslut. I love technology. I can compare Maschine to an MPC because I own them both and know what each product can accomplish. The only difference..one is a self-contained unit (until now) and the other is software w/integrated controller.

Does it really matter who did what first? Personally, I don't take this into consideration. But based upon what you are saying...since NI created the first hybrid drum machine...had a 3 year head start....and has a long list of software. This seems to imply Akai doesn't have a chance. But you fail to mention that it has taken NI over 1 1/2 to makes its software solid. Every person in the forum that talks NI being software experts always leave out the facts about Maschine.

Did you use Maschine OS before 1.1? How about 1.1 to 1.5? Were these products stable? How do the compare to OS 1.7? Honestly ask yourself these questions....

JAH wrote:

Mistamixx wrote:I'm starting to think u just talk about gear, because you can't compare any mpc to maschine since none of the mpc's made in the last 20 years is a dedicated controller/computer software package. Akai has been around for over 20 years and there finally getting around to doing what Native Instruments has done?? Akai should've been the first to merge hardware with computers. Now there playing catch up. Look at NI long list of software. i can't think of any software released by Akai except Roger Lynn os revamped over and over again, and they still don't have that right.(my 5000 still has bugs) I wonder how many updates it's gonna take for Akai's new software to be solid? 1, 2, 3 years from the release date???

I am more than happy to have an adult conversation about my favorite hobby. I talk about gear becuase I am a gearslut. I love technology. I can compare Maschine to an MPC because I own them both and know what each product can accomplish. The only difference..one is a self-contained unit (until now) and the other is software w/integrated controller.

Does it really matter who did what first? Personally, I don't take this into consideration. But based upon what you are saying...since NI created the first hybrid drum machine...had a 3 year head start....and has a long list of software. This seems to imply Akai doesn't have a chance. But you fail to mention that it has taken NI over 1 1/2 to makes its software solid. Every person in the forum that talks NI being software experts always leave out the facts about Maschine.

Did you use Maschine OS before 1.1? How about 1.1 to 1.5? Were these products stable? How do the compare to OS 1.7? Honestly ask yourself these questions....

I encourage anyone who smokes dope to read this after they are suitably high. Funniest **** shit ever.

Nym wrote:

obligatory smart ass post of the day

haha, i was thinking the same thing. I looked at that giant ass paragraph and was like, fuggit, i aint reading it, ill figure out what he said by reading everyone's responses.....lolz

DJ Hellfire wrote:

emptysea wrote:

labcoats wrote:I think Ni will basically ditch Maschine over a long period of time and start making synth hardware just as Artuaria are doing. Korgs monotribe has been a phenomenal success and any manufacturer would be mad to ignore the sales numbers.

labcoats wrote:Ren and Ren Studio both blow Maschine away in terms of features and integration. NI must be sitting there thinking whats the point of trying to take Akai on.

Wow. Some serious fanboy denial going on there. Did you notice that you're talking about an unfinished prototype that Akai is hyping up because they're trying to catch up to Maschine?

I don't know about Maschine meeting it's demise, but I can say that this is exactly what I wanted in an MPC; the ability to edit my notes in a piano roll environment after recording them, as well as ITB tracking (or at least more than 8 channels; Maschine gives you 32). All the VST **** I could care less about because I was always able to do it within Pro Tools. But it is nice to have it integrated. Anyway, my point is that if Akai nails this, I will definitely be ditching Maschine. Not because I don't like Maschine, but MPC is just so familiar. I feel like it's my roots. But I still do love Maschine too. Just can't see myself using both. I'm not loyal to any brand, only my needs!

agreed.

I dont think maschine will see its demise, its a differant option. To some, it will be better for thier workflow and what they do, to others, the mpc ren will be better. features dont always matter. even if mpc ren has twice as many dope features, doesnt meann its actually better for a given situation. with that said, of course we want more features! lolz, and i see this an opportunity for both companies to really grow thier products and push the gear in great directions benefiting customers, beat makers, and music in general.

as far as the verdict of one being better than the other......I say we will have to wait and see. Dont get me wrong, im definately getting the new mpc....but I'm also not gonna just automatically dismiss maschine, even if the ren is better (I got kids who need to make beats they can have maschine)

the biggest reason for me to ditch maschine would be because of my past experience with mpcs not because its lacking or has less features, here is why i mpc ren will prob win in my book:
1.its probably going to be a super familiar workflow
2.compatible with my old projects
3.what i always wanted in an mpc (alot of what maschine has given me), but with mpc state of mind

thats really it. i have my gripes with maschine, no doubt, but really, right now its giving me pretty much everything i actually want and need. there is no reason to dismiss it, hate it, or whatever.

JAH wrote:

Mistamixx wrote:I'm starting to think u just talk about gear, because you can't compare any mpc to maschine since none of the mpc's made in the last 20 years is a dedicated controller/computer software package. Akai has been around for over 20 years and there finally getting around to doing what Native Instruments has done?? Akai should've been the first to merge hardware with computers. Now there playing catch up. Look at NI long list of software. i can't think of any software released by Akai except Roger Lynn os revamped over and over again, and they still don't have that right.(my 5000 still has bugs) I wonder how many updates it's gonna take for Akai's new software to be solid? 1, 2, 3 years from the release date???

I am more than happy to have an adult conversation about my favorite hobby. I talk about gear becuase I am a gearslut. I love technology. I can compare Maschine to an MPC because I own them both and know what each product can accomplish. The only difference..one is a self-contained unit (until now) and the other is software w/integrated controller.

Does it really matter who did what first? Personally, I don't take this into consideration. But based upon what you are saying...since NI created the first hybrid drum machine...had a 3 year head start....and has a long list of software. This seems to imply Akai doesn't have a chance. But you fail to mention that it has taken NI over 1 1/2 to makes its software solid. Every person in the forum that talks NI being software experts always leave out the facts about Maschine.

Did you use Maschine OS before 1.1? How about 1.1 to 1.5? Were these products stable? How do the compare to OS 1.7? Honestly ask yourself these questions....

Why didn't Akai come out with the first hybrid drum maschine?? Akai had a 20 year head startl lol.. I own the MV8000, MPC5000, and Maschine. The mpc5000 and all the past mpc's can't be compared to maschine! there different animals. When the Ren Studio comes out, you can compare it to Maschine. don't get it twisted im a gearslut as well. If Akai can get this right, and the price comes down on the Ren a little bit i'll add it to my arsenal. Maschine is what i use the most because it's faster than any mpc we can buy today! FACT!!! and for the features that maschine doesn't have yet, there's other software that i use to handle those tasks.

Lampdog wrote:

QUALMS wrote:Join date 2007 and only 4 posts? HA!

I was just about to say the same thing. Some of them have "known" about the forums for a while.

Like I said... "I dont know about you guys but Im sure some of these new accounts are fakes!"

I wasnt specifically saying this account was fake. It just came to mind at that moment that we have had plenty of new accounts pop up with a ton of knowledge and praising Akai.

DJ Hellfire wrote:I don't know about Maschine meeting it's demise, but I can say that this is exactly what I wanted in an MPC; the ability to edit my notes in a piano roll environment after recording them, as well as ITB tracking (or at least more than 8 channels; Maschine gives you 32). All the VST shit I could care less about because I was always able to do it within Pro Tools. But it is nice to have it integrated. Anyway, my point is that if Akai nails this, I will definitely be ditching Maschine. Not because I don't like Maschine, but MPC is just so familiar. I feel like it's my roots. But I still do love Maschine too. Just can't see myself using both. I'm not loyal to any brand, only my needs!

This is how I feel about it.

The only new MPC that catches my attention is the Studio.
Akai has a long way to go though.

They are showing us worthless videos.
All we got to work with is how the hardware looks and some basic features. We are still yet to fully see the software function which is what this will boil down to.

But with their recent track record in years with the newcoming of Nukai this shit dont look good.

Im willing to stick around and keep watching to see if they can actually pull this off though.

Explicit- wrote:Akai has a long way to go though.

They are showing us worthless videos.
All we got to work with is how the hardware looks and some basic features. We are still yet to fully see the software function which is what this will boil down to.

But with their recent track record in years with the newcoming of Nukai this **** dont look good.

The videos confirmed that these are just work-in-progress prototypes and that neither the hardware nor the software is ready. All we've seen so far are lots of hype and desperation.

Explicit- wrote:

zeeno0987 wrote:The MPC represents Hip Hop. In no shape form or fashion, I am not a endorser of Akai.This is my thoughts and experience with the MPC. I used the MPC when it first came out and witnessed it blossomed into this.Some may have jumped on board around the 3000,2000,1000,or 2500.I can't count how many times I had one and sold it. I remember selling D-Dot my MPC 60 when he was Howard because I loved my SP1200 more.But what kept me coming back to the MPC was how tight the sequencer was.People say that it has a swing like no other but it's how tight the sequencer records that people love. I got into software early 10 years ago and missed the tightness of the sequencer that most DAWS don't offer.I bought Maschine in hopes to get that tightness of a sequencer that the MPC had and was dissappointed and sold Maschine.I love working in software but maschine sequencer was buggy to me but yet FL studio sequence was tight as Maschine.But after going from software back to MPC I felt limited because instead of chopping a sample into 40 or 80 pieces in software effortlessly, I was going back to the 16 or 32 chop cycle of hardware which is not how i chop.I had my thoughts set on the 5000 mths ago because of its chopping ability but the new MPC just threw a monkey wrench into that.I also know that Akai hasn't played fair with customers like when the 5000 was demoed at NAAM when it was released they had dudes doing techno beats for the demo which your brand was built on Hip Hop.(no disrespect to other music). But to get to the point this MPC represents Akai's cement footprint inside the computer along side or above the Gurus,Batterys, Maschines, and kontakts. Think about it,No more tracking out,pluggins on everything,the same sequencer but in software and not much of a learning curve.This is what most ex MPC users who converted to software have been waiting for.As for Maschine,N.I will have problems because they offered the only integrated hardware software setup which we jump on because it was the only one out that was somewhat MPCish.But know we have this coming which should change the whole playing field and expose Maschine for it's flaws that many will come to see when the new MPC is here.Just my 2 cents and yes the MPC is used for all forms of music not just Hip Hop.

Have you guys noticed how many new accounts have come in with so much knowledge about gear in the last couple weeks since the Ren was announced???

All these dudes with 1 to 5 posts and they immediately start praising Akai.

Well... I dont know about you guys but Im sure some of these new accounts are fakes!

Im used to seeing majority of our new members come in here asking how to turn on their MIDI or how to sample.

... Yeh, I made this point a while back. Ok, I was a bit down on JAH, as I didn't relaise they guy had been a member long ago, but you do wonder how many of thse new guys are just being sponsored by Akai to go and sing the product praises ? I mean, did you see the awful promo vid from London producers - cringey !!

I wouldnt be surprised from what Ive seen so far...

Im sure we have a few Akai accounts on here made just to promote

The MPC sequencer is unmatched. Whatever the model.

hype alert.
talent is unmatched. sequencers are comparable if not equal.
i've seen folks get busier with mouse clicks and ACID PRO than any producer on these boards do with their mpcs.