Would you like the MPC Renaissance support JJ OS programs an

this is the one thing that i think is paramount for the new mpc to have. it will open up so many doors for non-akai os users, whereas if it wasnt an option we would be kind of SOL.

i have jjos 2xl and i can see the benefit of this is enormous. so many people use the jjos instead of the akai os simply because he has worked so hard to steadily update it and answer user feedback.

imo if this didnt happen it would be a huge loss for both parties and us the end user.

i think we should start a petition, and ask jj if he would be willing to do something like this.

damien907 wrote:this is the one thing that i think is paramount for the new mpc to have. it will open up so many doors for non-akai os users, whereas if it wasnt an option we would be kind of SOL.

i have jjos 2xl and i can see the benefit of this is enormous. so many people use the jjos instead of the akai os simply because he has worked so hard to steadily update it and answer user feedback.

imo if this didnt happen it would be a huge loss for both parties and us the end user.

i think we should start a petition, and ask jj if he would be willing to do something like this.

The ball is rolling. So who is going to step up and take an active lead..the forum point of contact? Start a petition (should come on behalf of forum members)..contact JJ, obtain the required program spec, etc.

Huh? A vote here on the forum of 9 to 0 ain't enough?

I just received an email from Murai. But I think he misunderstood what I was asking. If I understood his English, he indicated possible support after the new software is released. So it seems he thinks I was asking if JJ OS can read the new format. I will send an email in Japanese today for clarification.

JAH wrote:I just received an email from Murai. But I think he misunderstood what I was asking. If I understood his English, he indicated possible support after the new software is released. So it seems he thinks I was asking if JJ OS can read the new format. I will send an email in Japanese today for clarification.

He is probably saying thats all he will consider compatibility and not give any code away, and quite frankly any programmer would do the same, at least the ones i know anyways. You think it will greatly benefit JJ or us at all? I mean we are not all rabid fan boys of the Ren and there is a thing called midi as well as the program files which will probably be compatible with the Ren anyways, as stated above. So in my view I say DO NOT do it JJ, hang on to your intellectual property an dont get raped by Akai and Ren fan boys. Sorry guys for being harsh, but you can deal with it. I wanted to say that you guys seem very young, and not very experienced in the real world of business. You can get a Ren I wont stop you, but do not expect everything done for you just because you got both JJOS and a Ren. If you use MIDI and project files you are already most of the way there anyways. So because you guys do not want to do some work and think JJ will just give up his so you can get what you want? Not going to happen IMHO. Where is my NO vote option anyways. just shows you the mind set you guys have.
To me its like asking JJ for a happy ending every time I make a beat. Not gonna happen no matter how much I ask. I'm sure it would be good to, and I am sure every one else will want it to, but its not gonna happen.
JJOS on MPCs will be the minority in about a week of Ren sales probably, as every kid with a computer will want that MPC sound/work flow ect and will buy one. Meaning Akai will not be too concerned about backward compatibility with a third party developer thats doing code for old product. Just makes sense. So yes I doubt JJ would do any such thing, and would probably only have to worry about all the emails he is getting about something he wont do. Of course he is open to reading a new format in JJOS as it will probably be close to what our project files are coded anyways, so not much of an issue for him and I am sure as a programmer he will want a look anyways. But as I said before, Akai will just pay lip service to this idea, and not care too much. There is just not enough JJOS users to warrant the expense and time needed to invest in this idea compared to say 500000 new Ren adopters that will have their own demands. And we know what Akai are like when it comes to updates and bug fixes - not great. So yeah I suspect programs will work, though project files are another thing. The machines themselves will have differences that need thinking about. We do not even have the Ren yet, so we wont know till we try. But any difference in he machines will mean changes to project files ect. You do realize that even JJOSXL and free JJOS programs and projects are not 100% compatible right? This is because of differences in the OS's. JJ has not worried about that so I doubt he will worry about Ren compatibility.

people who think it's a good idea for JJ to give AKAI his file format: seriously, put down the crack pipe.

first of all, your projects are not going to play properly because REN lacks a bunch of the features that JJ OS has. the FILTERS, LFO's, ADSR, all of that is going to be different. and that's not even mentioning things like PATTERN mode, the way the QLINKS work, etc...

AKAI would have to built an entire emulation of the JJ OS within the REN in order for your projects to sound the same, or even close, to what they sound like on JJ OS. so JJ would have to give AKAI his entire OS source code & then AKAI would have to do a ton of work to translate & recreate that within the RENs OS and that's not going to happen.


second: let's say that JJ does give AKAI his PROGRAM format so that you can open your JJ projects in REN and use them somehow. who is going to own both a REN and an MPC1000? once you've got your JJ projects ported over to the REN, you're going to work on them there, and all of your new work will be created there as well. after a while, you'll realize you haven't touched the 1000 in a year & it will be bye bye 1000 & bye bye JJ. JJ has lost another customer and has less income from the JJ OS, which will lead to less support and development.


you guys have to look at the long term picture. sure, JJ might make a decent wad of cash upfront from AKAI to give them his format, but that is a one time only payment and after that, he will start losing customers 100 times quicker because peeps will be able to open their projects on REN and once they are there, they ain't coming back. in the long run, JJ loses bigtime.

AKAI has everything to gain by getting JJ's format (a much larger amount of people moving to the REN), and JJ has everything to lose (all his customers!)

I just received an email from Murai. But I think he misunderstood what I was asking. If I understood his English, he indicated possible support after the new software is released.

i think he understands perfectly. what he is saying is that he will consider supporting opening REN programs in the JJ OS when it is released, not the other way around! now THAT is the smart thing to do!

For sure Sooty_G. Agreed. Its a Pipe dream, a crack pipe dream
I am not against it, just that I know that its not likely at all, for above reasons. Should i make a request thread for the happy ending?

the PGM files is easy to read. I could read the format for make a JJchop, a program what read NDC file, anyone can do it. http://webs.ono.com/rcastilla/jjchop/index.htm

blip makes a good point, there should be a "no" selection also just for the sake of being thorough.

Look I don't know JJ's at home life style, but if the JJOS is putting food on the table I understand 100% why he would be reluctant to stop feeding his family.

I was once a person trying to cash-in on one of my ideas (intellectual properties) for years. I realized, me being the smaller more creative guy would do more harm by not contributing to society with my free ideas. People here should remember I blew up on JJ for trying to take one of my ideas.

I will admit I was wrong and since then I have freed my mine on trying to protect something I could never really own. No idea nowadays is all original. JJ's pattern to pad idea is not original look up Korg's RPP (Real-time Pattern Playback) and you will see similarities.

Is JJ bitter about what they did to his JJ sequencer? I think so. My my my, it's so hard find the dam thing on Google--it must be a coincidence with the ren upon us. :/

All ideas derived from Akai's original product/idea will always remain Akai's and thats a quote from the copyright law. Every feature request here on these boards all belong to Akai. Anything JJ put into the orignal os is technically a product of Akai.

Even this web site could be removed if Akai wants it done. Akai was nice enough to let us have this site and the JJOS, so thank you Akai.

So in the end it's in JJ's best interest to work with Akai for free like he has been doing.

angel wrote:the PGM files is easy to read. I could read the format for make a JJchop, a program what read NDC file, anyone can do it. http://webs.ono.com/rcastilla/jjchop/index.htm

This is what I was talking about. Could you elaborate on how you would go about reading PGM format to get all the 'particulars' of it? Any links to resources on file reading like this in general. I mean, I can open up a PGM in a text editor, but it's all garbage apart from bits here and there.

I didn't add a "NO" option for a very good reason. I am using my own personal time to try to make something happen for JJ OS users who would like to open their programs/projects within the new MPC Ren or Studio as Akai has/is adding support for all legacy MPCs in one way or the other. This is about MPC users and not whether it will benefit Akai or JJ more than the other.

This thread is not for you if you don't want or need this function. If it wasn't for Saint Joe and Flux asking about JJ OS support, I would have never written this thread...

But thanks for everyone's input regardless. I am having my letter to JJ translated today. If anyone has any JJ OS programs they can send me, hit me up via PM.

JAH wrote:I didn't add a "NO" option for a very good reason. I am using my own personal time to try to make something happen for JJ OS users who would like to open their programs/projects within the new MPC Ren or Studio as Akai has/is adding support for all legacy MPCs in one way or the other. This is about MPC users and not whether it will benefit Akai or JJ more than the other.

This thread is not for you if you don't want or need this function. If it wasn't for Saint Joe and Flux asking about JJ OS support, I would have never written this thread...

But thanks for everyone's input regardless. I am having my letter to JJ translated today. If anyone has any JJ OS programs they can send me, hit me up via PM.

I'm not making assumptions on why you're asking the question, I understand that- but if you don't give the MPC users the option of "no", how are the poll results going to be an accurate answer to your question, ya know?

b.read wrote:

JAH wrote:I didn't add a "NO" option for a very good reason. I am using my own personal time to try to make something happen for JJ OS users who would like to open their programs/projects within the new MPC Ren or Studio as Akai has/is adding support for all legacy MPCs in one way or the other. This is about MPC users and not whether it will benefit Akai or JJ more than the other.

This thread is not for you if you don't want or need this function. If it wasn't for Saint Joe and Flux asking about JJ OS support, I would have never written this thread...

But thanks for everyone's input regardless. I am having my letter to JJ translated today. If anyone has any JJ OS programs they can send me, hit me up via PM.

I'm not making assumptions on why you're asking the question, I understand that- but if you don't give the MPC users the option of "no", how are the poll results going to be an accurate answer to your question, ya know?

because he doesnt want akai to know the ratio of yes to no answers...

MPC-Tutor wrote:

angel wrote:the PGM files is easy to read. I could read the format for make a JJchop, a program what read NDC file, anyone can do it. http://webs.ono.com/rcastilla/jjchop/index.htm

This is what I was talking about. Could you elaborate on how you would go about reading PGM format to get all the 'particulars' of it? Any links to resources on file reading like this in general. I mean, I can open up a PGM in a text editor, but it's all garbage apart from bits here and there.

Okay, bit of research later - so I assume these are binary files, to be opened in a hex editor? Tried that, works, now what - guess my php skills aren't going to cut it...