MPC Ren @ sonicstate.com (NAMM 2012)

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Re: MPC Ren @ sonicstate.com (NAMM 2012)

By JAH Thu Jan 26, 2012 5:36 am
kaydigi wrote:
Here's a vote for having it on the MPC LCD screen the new way also.


The 1997 new way? Or the 2012 new way which is the 1987 old way?
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Re: MPC Ren @ sonicstate.com (NAMM 2012)

By Coz Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:05 am
xparis001 wrote:we're not leaving it out, we're just putting it on a huge 21 inch screen in front of you.



It's actually 22 inch but that's beside the point! :mrgreen:

I'm just wondering why you've put such a nice screen on the Ren if you're going to cripple the functionality and force people to look at the computer monitor?

Waveform editing is fairly basic looking on Maschine's controller, but it's there and comes in very useful. :idea:
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Re: MPC Ren @ sonicstate.com (NAMM 2012)

By Retrofreak Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:35 am
I don't mind not having waveforms on the display, if anything i'd like:

A Transient search, that allows you to jump to the next peak in sample whilst editing (even if it's in numbers for the display).

Re: MPC Ren @ sonicstate.com (NAMM 2012)

By S4v Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:21 am
Being forced to use the laptop for basic wav editing is not a good thing - it doesn't seem help anybody. At the very least we should have the option of using numbers or wav's on the flipscreen. Some of us don't care for the mpc3000 experience "number editing" experience or having to use computers for basic beat creation.
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Re: MPC Ren @ sonicstate.com (NAMM 2012)

By Retrofreak Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:39 am
S4v wrote:Being forced to use the laptop for basic wav editing is not a good thing - it doesn't seem help anybody. At the very least we should have the option of using numbers or wav's on the flipscreen. Some of us don't care for the mpc3000 experience "number editing" experience or having to use computers for basic beat creation.


I hear ya, but I use my ears when editing, I personally don't need waveforms if anything I see it as a bonus.

Tap to transient is more important to my workflow when editing so I can find kick and snare attacks quickly tbh.

Re: MPC Ren @ sonicstate.com (NAMM 2012)

By S4v Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:03 pm
Retrofreak wrote:
S4v wrote:Being forced to use the laptop for basic wav editing is not a good thing - it doesn't seem help anybody. At the very least we should have the option of using numbers or wav's on the flipscreen. Some of us don't care for the mpc3000 experience "number editing" experience or having to use computers for basic beat creation.


I hear ya, but I use my ears when editing, I personally don't need waveforms if anything I see it as a bonus.

Tap to transient is more important to my workflow when editing so I can find kick and snare attacks quickly tbh.


Sup retro. Yea i can 'use my ears'. Hell i can make pretty tight sequences with no quantize, and a bunch of other og tricks but i don't really want to HAVE To do that :D. I started off with an Asr 10, then an asr-x. Hell i have a sp1200 right here and i gotta admit, i dont miss using numbers to edit. It's a joke and a waste of time. It's a regressive move that actually doesn't seem to have a real benefit. If i recall correctly, the JJOS 1000 has numbers and wavform right? I think it does. The new one should have that as well. Just copy what JJ did and make everybody happy. It's a damn near flawless workflow system

Tapping pads, while looking at a monitor, and working a mouse sounds terrible. As a matter of fact i don't want to deal with the computer until after i'm satisfied with my chops, and sequence. I want to be completely done with the meat and potatoes, and i want to do that with ease.
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Re: MPC Ren @ sonicstate.com (NAMM 2012)

By Retrofreak Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:35 pm
S4v wrote:
Retrofreak wrote:
S4v wrote:Being forced to use the laptop for basic wav editing is not a good thing - it doesn't seem help anybody. At the very least we should have the option of using numbers or wav's on the flipscreen. Some of us don't care for the mpc3000 experience "number editing" experience or having to use computers for basic beat creation.


I hear ya, but I use my ears when editing, I personally don't need waveforms if anything I see it as a bonus.

Tap to transient is more important to my workflow when editing so I can find kick and snare attacks quickly tbh.


Sup retro. Yea i can 'use my ears'. Hell i can make pretty tight sequences with no quantize, and a bunch of other og tricks but i don't really want to HAVE To do that :D. I started off with an Asr 10, then an asr-x. Hell i have a sp1200 right here and i gotta admit, i dont miss using numbers to edit. It's a joke and a waste of time. It's a regressive move that actually doesn't seem to have a real benefit. If i recall correctly, the JJOS 1000 has numbers and wavform right? I think it does. The new one should have that as well. Just copy what JJ did and make everybody happy. It's a damn near flawless workflow system

Tapping pads, while looking at a monitor, and working a mouse sounds terrible. As a matter of fact i don't want to deal with the computer until after i'm satisfied with my chops, and sequence. I want to be completely done with the meat and potatoes, and i want to do that with ease.


Everyones different and got preferences which is cool, I'm just saying that waveform editing on a small display is not an essential for me, I'd rather "tap to transient" so I can get to the peaks quicker.

The only time i've needed waveform editing is when I've been looping long legato instruments, but for drums I feel it out and use my ears.
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Re: MPC Ren @ sonicstate.com (NAMM 2012)

By Retrofreak Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:53 pm
Coz wrote:Which MPC has "tap to transient"?



I was saying i'd like the new MPC REN to have "tap to transient" as it would make chopping loops and finding drum attacks quicker as opposed to viewing a waveform on a small display imo.
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Re: MPC Ren @ sonicstate.com (NAMM 2012)

By Coz Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:08 pm
Akai should focus on transitioning the MPC basics to the software without neglecting the screen on the hardware IMO. Anything that improves workflow is a good thing, so transient chopping would be a nice compliment to the standard and (hopefully) JJ style NDC.
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Re: MPC Ren @ sonicstate.com (NAMM 2012)

By ansiaaa Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:30 pm
S4v wrote:Being forced to use the laptop for basic wav editing is not a good thing - it doesn't seem help anybody. At the very least we should have the option of using numbers or wav's on the flipscreen. Some of us don't care for the mpc3000 experience "number editing" experience or having to use computers for basic beat creation.


Coz wrote:Akai should focus on transitioning the MPC basics to the software without neglecting the screen on the hardware IMO.


please, we already have to cope with the fact this will not be a stand alone machine, at least let us use it by watchin its screen if we want to!

this is exactly what I was fearing by watching the NAMM videos... with the Ren you will NEED to watch the screen for some functions...

I sold my Maschine because of its workflow, but at least one thing I loved of that instrument... you could do everything without ever watching the computer screen if you wanted to...
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Re: MPC Ren @ sonicstate.com (NAMM 2012)

By cyrus Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:19 pm
I recind my original statement.....if you can't view the waveform on the controller..............thats just lame!

okay, so i still think that the workflow of the ren will end up being differant, simply because you now have a computer involved, that is still true........but wtf is the point of the screen on the controller if not to do wave form editing?

if i cant see the waveform on the screen, then why would i ever look at the screen?......at this point, i might as well just look at my monitor for everything!..............then at that point, all we have is a newly designed mpd!!!!

then at that point, lets get jjos to finish jj sequencer (he'll actually do the chopping like we want), and he'll make any controller compatible with it......for cheaper........................................!!!!!!!!
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Re: MPC Ren @ sonicstate.com (NAMM 2012)

By JAH Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:58 pm
cyrus wrote:........but wtf is the point of the screen on the controller if not to do wave form editing?


Perhaps to appease the legions of MPC 60/3000 users who have no graphic waveform editing. Akai did spend the last 2 years consulted with professionals who use MPCs. It appears that is what they want.

When the MV 8000 was released in the early/mid 2000s, MPCs users were envious of the waveform editing on a larger screen. There were so many feature requests for adding external monitor support for MPCs. Now that we have it...folks are complaining that they need it on a smaller screen?

This year, Akai has implemented a "compromise" to address all of their consumers' needs.
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Re: MPC Ren @ sonicstate.com (NAMM 2012)

By Lampdog Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:22 pm
DJ Hellfire wrote:Just keep it nice and simple! :wink:
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Mock up screen, simple enough, elegant, no frills.
disclaimer - for frills see computer screen.

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