jjos2 onboard synthesizer tips: a sampler IS a synth

sally wrote:

mp3 wrote: work like a charm.

but
Can you build in MPC for tomorrow, a sine wave of 20 seconds and a crest?
give me for tomorrow a clean wave sine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can, yes.

and you?

That's nice. Care to share how you do it?

Big up for AK waveforms. Have to try out what sounds I can produce with these using 1k.

mp3 wrote:

sally wrote:

mp3 wrote: work like a charm.

but
Can you build in MPC for tomorrow, a sine wave of 20 seconds and a crest?
give me for tomorrow a clean wave sine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can, yes.

and you?

That's nice. Care to share how you do it?

then,
you do not know or you can not do it.

ok,

Yes, I can do it


here my demo.



https://rapidshare.com/files/1102137126 ... EST__1.rar



thanks for all your attention

So I guess we will all have to do with the fish sally is giving us, since sally won't teach us how to fish...

Thanks sally. You want a cookie?

mp3 wrote:So I guess we will all have to do with the fish sally is giving us, since sally won't teach us how to fish...

Thanks sally. You want a cookie?

yes mp3,
I want money and so many cookies to buy.

you can make a sine wave by making the filters self oscillate when the resonance is at the max, and sampling it in record mode by selecting "main".

Im not sure if thats how sally is doing it though.

Could be... And then all you'd have to do is timestretch a whole lot (these files are in the LFO range - that's subsonic).

But that wouldn't explain sally's saw wave on page 3 of this thread.

So anyway what I'm wondering is why sally is only generating half the waveform... But sally won't teach us, so I guess we'll never know. But sally will thank us for our attention...






I'd say it's rather gay that sally's developed some top-secret ninja technique and won't share it with us mere mortals, but calling things gay is not a very politically correct thing to say these days... So I won't say it's rather gay.

sally wrote:Can you build in MPC for tomorrow, a sine wave of 20 seconds...

past +24 hours

mp3 wrote:
But that wouldn't explain sally's saw wave on page 3 of this thread.

I'm wondering

mikolo wrote:you can make a sine wave by making the filters self oscillate when the resonance is at the max, and sampling it in record mode by selecting "main".

Im not sure if thats how sally is doing it though.

sines are boring, i'd use any small loop (virtually) one cycle, mbe two or three cycles - to add a bit of spice to the form - from any source or sample in my HD, mikolo's suggestion of self resonating the filters is a very useful quickie to get stuff in fast.

also, mbe using JJ's sample tools in the mpc, like fade in - out , to taper the wave at the starts n ends to get truly custom waves....

as the classic roland synths were hardly ever the true form that they would suggest on the control panels as a square or a saw or sine, they had very custom shapes (anyone with a 202/303/101 etc and an oscilloscope would see, and this in many ways gave rise to the nature of how they sounded sooo good naked, or slightly filtered.

m:t:c wrote:Rec gain noise which you sampled?

Most likely, sally sampling Main Out to Input Thru and messing with filters while being on acid, carefully handling the gain and vol knobs to avoid clipping, isn' it sally? LP filter to make a sine, best to employ two delays, with different modulation speed to make a repeating beat and use a dj mixer for fast cutting a feedback
This was a secret? oops

arebee wrote:

mikolo wrote:you can make a sine wave by making the filters self oscillate when the resonance is at the max, and sampling it in record mode by selecting "main".

Im not sure if thats how sally is doing it though.

sines are boring, i'd use any small loop (virtually) one cycle, mbe two or three cycles - to add a bit of spice to the form - from any source or sample in my HD, mikolo's suggestion of self resonating the filters is a very useful quickie to get stuff in fast.

also, mbe using JJ's sample tools in the mpc, like fade in - out , to taper the wave at the starts n ends to get truly custom waves....

as the classic roland synths were hardly ever the true form that they would suggest on the control panels as a square or a saw or sine, they had very custom shapes (anyone with a 202/303/101 etc and an oscilloscope would see, and this in many ways gave rise to the nature of how they sounded sooo good naked, or slightly filtered.

mbe try this kinda thing.. although i should've had it as a mono wave, but there u go anyway all adds character

http://www.sendspace.com/file/it7r0x

Bugfix wrote:

m:t:c wrote:Rec gain noise which you sampled?

Most likely, sally sampling Main Out to Input Thru and messing with filters while being on acid, carefully handling the gain and vol knobs to avoid clipping, isn' it sally? LP filter to make a sine, best to employ two delays, with different modulation speed to make a repeating beat and use a dj mixer for fast cutting a feedback
This was a secret? oops

Headphone out to rec in?

foodeater wrote:Headphone out to rec in?

It should work similar, but I used to plug Main Outs to Record In, and used headphones to monitor. Then You turn ON Input Thru, set filters there, and turn up the gain and vol knobs to make a feedback loop. There is a peak meter on Input Thru page, so do not exceed clip (this needs a little patience) and record it in record mode set to Main out. Ah, another thing is you can put pitch shift on input thru.

Hey Nym have you tried pseudo granular synthesis? Since we are all talking about VA (virtual analogue) synthesis techniques with wave forms. Let me step in here and mention another technique, that i use a fair bit.
Ok so you using a wave to make a synth and the sampled wave has a cycle frequency giving you the pitch. Ie the sample has a pitch. Now instead of using program settings to give multiple pitches of that one wave form, you create a cycle that is of a inherent frequency to make the pitch. This will open up mad glitchcore timbres.
So tuners help here. and some math, or do it by ear like i do to another instrument. I mean you do want correct intonation, but alternative tunings can be done easy, and save the program of different scales for future use.
So what I am saying is that instead of wave, just get any old sample and cut out a bit. Now loop that bit. Set the sample to loop, but in program mode set sample to play as played, not looped. So when you hold pad it loops and when you let go you stop hearing the loop. The actual loop size of the sample looping is the frequency which gives you the pitch of the note. I then either go 16 levels or map in a program. Mapping to program is good as you can do just intonation and also alternative scales as well. And save them as i said before to. I was havnt tried taking this to the next step and make a synth program of this method. Will be interesting

can you analyze the 3 rhombuses??

sally wrote:For JJ, please.

http://www.mediafire.com/?s6sxk4rkdicki26




3 diamonds!!




but...
that starting to happen here?

Zoom in

zoom in


analyze it please.

'm listening

thanks.

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