About Real-time Swing...Swing commitment.

Yeah I hear you. Believe me I know. I thought Maschine had akai beat. I dumbed out and sold my 4k but truthfully I miss a lot of the old ways mpc's handled things. Sequencing, swing, etc

The workflow issue you're talking about, I WISH maschine had this problem. LOL The swing per pad then by group THEN by track is annoying. Not to mention I miss the Mpc swing. I can get it close in Maschine but it's so much damn work compared to what I was used to. And I'm not even somebody who uses swing all the time. But I hear what your saying. I'm just coming from somebody who uses maschine and the way mpc's have you commit to swing or whatever are not a big deal compared to how maschine handles it

b-righteous wrote:It is a needless workflow issue. Why would you want to guess at a setting, press do it, press play, naw that's not right, press t.c guess again etc. There is no reason to keep old design flaws and limitations. Why make a new product if it can't improve issues that killed workflow? You could just stay with the old units with the slow load times etc. Make it faster. There is competition now you know.

i think functionally, you'll get what you want. see what you can do it this:

1. record a track
2. press F1 to apply tc settings
3. set say 62 swing. do it.
4. decide you hate it. hit undo.
5. not sure, hit redo.
6. yup still hate it. undo.
7. repeat. try different settings.

i think the possiiblity of unlimited undo / redo's and the ability to apply tc settings without stopping the sequencer will give both of you guys what you want.

in fact (I just tried this)

say set 62, nah, 63? nah, 64? nah, 63 was better, undo undo, wait no, 64 , redo, redo. it works pretty well.

Being able to apply while the sequencer is playing is a step up but still seems like more button pressing then needed. Does pressing do it exit you from the tc screen?

well I think it would have been neat to automate the the swing.. like a gradual shift forward and back to 50% might have been neat to do... okay not for hip hop most likely.. but those house music people or what ever it could have been neat.

b-righteous wrote:Being able to apply while the sequencer is playing is a step up but still seems like more button pressing then needed. Does pressing do it exit you from the tc screen?

yes, and the reason is that I think probably >10% of people will want to experiment with multiple swings and such, so we want to keep the commit and move on as quick as possible to not spoil the work flow.

xparis001 wrote:

b-righteous wrote:Being able to apply while the sequencer is playing is a step up but still seems like more button pressing then needed. Does pressing do it exit you from the tc screen?

yes, and the reason is that I think probably >10% of people will want to experiment with multiple swings and such, so we want to keep the commit and move on as quick as possible to not spoil the work flow.

you guys must go through that type of decision making quite a lot on this new product... trying to find that balance between classic and modern etc..

eldorado wrote:I used to have the 4K and now use Maschine. The way Maschine handles swing is wack. The old Mpc way is fine to me. Even tho the 4K allowed me to audition in real time I think everybody kind of memorizes the swing of an mp in our heads. We have an idea of what 52% sounds like. It's not a big deal. If it aint broke don't fix it i say. This is one of the many things mpc's do right. And also if you don't like the swing applied press undo and try again, right? Or am I misunderstanding what y'all are saying? Like I said I used the 4k so it might be a little different from the other ones

Basically we are just saying leave the MPC swing exactly the way it is, but just let us adjust it while the sequence plays; instead of having to stop the sequence, pick a swing, listen to it, not like it, undo, try another swing setting, and so on. We should be able to have our sequence playing, open the TC window, cursor to swing, set it to the proper swing we like (say 63%), press DO IT. Sequence never stops and you get the right swing the first time! And you press do it, the visible notes in the piano roll editor actually shift to that corresponding swing time.

Ohh!! See the 4k you didn't have to stop the sequence. I never knew you had to stop the sequence in the other mp's. That is kind of crazy. Yeah the Ren should at least be able to do that. When you were saying real time swing I'm thinking of a swing knob and a percent value and being able to adjust it in real time. (like maschine) Like literally with out having to press another button to apply it, if that makes any sense. LOL I know what you mean now though. My bad I misunderstood. Your way should be how the Ren behaves..so Dan is Hellfire's description gonna be how the Ren applies swing? Basically like the 4k

b-righteous wrote:Being able to apply while the sequencer is playing is a step up but still seems like more button pressing then needed.

I was thinking the same thing.


Real-time audition in the TC screen with "Do it" to commit. If you could do that without all the undo/redo button bashing it'd be perfect.

Quantize strength is also a bomb feature in the JJOS if you're looking at adding to the classic MPC way.

I saw a screen shot and it's currently like the 5k so it has the strength setting.

Will it be able to move and delete notes with the mouse in real time? Is there a real time way of adjusting velocity and note placement from the hardware?

b-righteous wrote:I saw a screen shot and it's currently like the 5k so it has the strength setting.

Will it be able to move and delete notes with the mouse in real time? Is there a real time way of adjusting velocity and note placement from the hardware?

software has full piano roll editing, and if you turn TC off you can slide it around where-ever. there are sequence edit functions on the hardware, and in theory you could use these to copy or move notes around, but this is one case where a piano roll and a mouse is far superior.

but this is one case where a piano roll and a mouse is far superior.

I agree. Thanks for the responses and I hope you guys consider the t.c. preview feature for the future. Also a global t.c disable for all real time recording.

Coz wrote:

b-righteous wrote:Being able to apply while the sequencer is playing is a step up but still seems like more button pressing then needed.

I was thinking the same thing.


Real-time audition in the TC screen with "Do it" to commit. If you could do that without all the undo/redo button bashing it'd be perfect.

Quantize strength is also a bomb feature in the JJOS if you're looking at adding to the classic MPC way.

Yeah, it will be nice to have the swing effect actually audible changing while you tweak it. This combine with a commit feature would shit on Maschine's swing function. I actually don't mind the different levels of swing Maschine offers and I like the way it functions. And it has a lot of different options to get the perfect swing in real time. But the lack of a way to commit it completely ruins an amazing feature!

xparis001 wrote:software has full piano roll editing, and if you turn TC off you can slide it around where-ever. there are sequence edit functions on the hardware, and in theory you could use these to copy or move notes around, but this is one case where a piano roll and a mouse is far superior.

Now, about the piano roll screen, and this is VERY important; if I click/highlight a note in the editor window, will there be a field somewhere on the screen that tells me ALL the midi parameter values of that note like a standard step editor would, ie Velocity, position (like 10:03:02:54), note (C2, D#1, etc), and note duration? I despise that Maschine lacks this!

@xparis001

On the piano roll:

1, Can you audition notes by clicking on them?

2, Can you nudge notes back n forth in samples and beats by turning the data wheel or knobs clockwise/anticlockwise?