About Real-time Swing...Swing commitment.

DJ Hellfire wrote:

Coz wrote:

b-righteous wrote:Being able to apply while the sequencer is playing is a step up but still seems like more button pressing then needed.

I was thinking the same thing.


Real-time audition in the TC screen with "Do it" to commit. If you could do that without all the undo/redo button bashing it'd be perfect.

Quantize strength is also a bomb feature in the JJOS if you're looking at adding to the classic MPC way.

Yeah, it will be nice to have the swing effect actually audible changing while you tweak it. This combine with a commit feature would **** on Maschine's swing function. I actually don't mind the different levels of swing Maschine offers and I like the way it functions. And it has a lot of different options to get the perfect swing in real time. But the lack of a way to commit it completely ruins an amazing feature!

xparis001 wrote:software has full piano roll editing, and if you turn TC off you can slide it around where-ever. there are sequence edit functions on the hardware, and in theory you could use these to copy or move notes around, but this is one case where a piano roll and a mouse is far superior.

Now, about the piano roll screen, and this is VERY important; if I click/highlight a note in the editor window, will there be a field somewhere on the screen that tells me ALL the midi parameter values of that note like a standard step editor would, ie Velocity, position (like 10:03:02:54), note (C2, D#1, etc), and note duration? I despise that Maschine lacks this!

we hadnt planned this but thats a good idea. looking in to how hard it would be.

Retrofreak wrote:@xparis001

On the piano roll:

1, Can you audition notes by clicking on them?

2, Can you nudge notes back n forth in samples and beats by turning the data wheel or knobs clockwise/anticlockwise?

1. yes

2. this is a cool idea, but what happens when TC is off? should it move by ppqn? if so, then things get REALLY slow.

Moving by PPQ would be great!

xparis001 wrote:

Retrofreak wrote:@xparis001

On the piano roll:

1, Can you audition notes by clicking on them?

2, Can you nudge notes back n forth in samples and beats by turning the data wheel or knobs clockwise/anticlockwise?

1. yes

2. this is a cool idea, but what happens when TC is off? should it move by ppqn? if so, then things get REALLY slow.

Yes please do it!

You could simply allow the note to be moved in 'samples' of 10,100,1000 etc like Protools

Retrofreak wrote:

xparis001 wrote:

Retrofreak wrote:@xparis001

On the piano roll:

1, Can you audition notes by clicking on them?

2, Can you nudge notes back n forth in samples and beats by turning the data wheel or knobs clockwise/anticlockwise?

1. yes

2. this is a cool idea, but what happens when TC is off? should it move by ppqn? if so, then things get REALLY slow.

Yes please do it!

You could simply allow the note to be moved in 'samples' of 10,100,1000 etc like Protools

And even by 1 sample. That would be dope! I don't know how this would work though, since the jog wheel controls whatever the cursor is on on the MPC screen. So, in highlighting a note on the computer screen, what will make the jog wheel focus on that note for nudging, versus, say, the tempo field on the Ren screen that the cursor is on?

I do have an idea how it could work. Incorporate it all into the step edit screen of the Ren some how, if one exists! Let's imagine the step edit screen from the 2500. If I highlight notes with the mouse, these same notes will show up in the step list as a shaded selection (just like tracks in the pad mute screen). You will be allowed to cursor between all the different note parameters and adjust each one with the jog wheel, basically just like the 2500. If you have multiple notes selected, moving any note parameter will move that same parameter of each other selected note the same amount. Doesn't make all the values the same, but it just adjusts them in the same increments.

As for the F-Keys, in the step editor, they should allow you to select notes in the list either one by one or select all, as an alternative to selecting notes via mouse. Get rid of the MOVE button that is currently in the 2500 step editor. You should be able to move notes just by cursoring to it's 'Position" field and turning the jog wheel in one of the 3 'Position' fields (bar : 1/4 bar : sample, or 010:3:094 for example). Instead of having the MOVE button on the F-Key, make it a SELECT button. Cursoring to a note and pressing SELECT highlights that note in the step list and on the computer screen. Cursoring to another note and pressing SELECT on it basically does a shift+click (like a mouse would) and selects that second note as well. Pressing SELECT on a note that is already selected will deselect the note. Holding the SHIFT button and pressing the SELECT button will 'SELECT ALL' notes on that track. Pressing them again will deselect all the notes. When no notes are selected, moving any note parameter automatically selects that note, just to reflect on the computer screen what note and parameter is being adjusted. Also, get rid of the 'DO IT' F-Key in this screen as well. The multiple levels of UNDO you guys are adding will be fine to undo any committed parameter movements.

This will basically give you the same function as the mouse, but on the hardware. It will be less efficient than a mouse, but the hardware lovers will be happy. Obviously, once notes are selected, you can move them on either the hardware with the jog wheel or with the mouse in the software. TC being on DOES NOT effect note parameter movements made on the hardware with the jog wheel like it would in the piano roll on the screen with the mouse. Any selected note reflects as being selected on both screens, whether it's clicked with the mouse or selected in Ren's step list for that track. And most importantly, this should ALL be able to be done in REAL-TIME!

Hopefully I typed this all in a way that it's as clear to you guys what I mean as it is in my head!

DJ Hellfire wrote:

Coz wrote:

b-righteous wrote:Being able to apply while the sequencer is playing is a step up but still seems like more button pressing then needed.

I was thinking the same thing.


Real-time audition in the TC screen with "Do it" to commit. If you could do that without all the undo/redo button bashing it'd be perfect.

Quantize strength is also a bomb feature in the JJOS if you're looking at adding to the classic MPC way.

Yeah, it will be nice to have the swing effect actually audible changing while you tweak it. This combine with a commit feature would **** on Maschine's swing function. I actually don't mind the different levels of swing Maschine offers and I like the way it functions. And it has a lot of different options to get the perfect swing in real time. But the lack of a way to commit it completely ruins an amazing feature!

xparis001 wrote:software has full piano roll editing, and if you turn TC off you can slide it around where-ever. there are sequence edit functions on the hardware, and in theory you could use these to copy or move notes around, but this is one case where a piano roll and a mouse is far superior.

Now, about the piano roll screen, and this is VERY important; if I click/highlight a note in the editor window, will there be a field somewhere on the screen that tells me ALL the midi parameter values of that note like a standard step editor would, ie Velocity, position (like 10:03:02:54), note (C2, D#1, etc), and note duration? I despise that Maschine lacks this!

Preach brother preach! I hate that maschine can't tell me exactly where a note is in terms of a numeric position. A step editor with all the info (velocity, position, note duration, etc. really is a must have..please include this Andy..PLEASE!!

DJ Hellfire wrote:

Coz wrote:

b-righteous wrote:Being able to apply while the sequencer is playing is a step up but still seems like more button pressing then needed.

I was thinking the same thing.


Real-time audition in the TC screen with "Do it" to commit. If you could do that without all the undo/redo button bashing it'd be perfect.

Quantize strength is also a bomb feature in the JJOS if you're looking at adding to the classic MPC way.

Yeah, it will be nice to have the swing effect actually audible changing while you tweak it. This combine with a commit feature would **** on Maschine's swing function. I actually don't mind the different levels of swing Maschine offers and I like the way it functions. And it has a lot of different options to get the perfect swing in real time. But the lack of a way to commit it completely ruins an amazing feature!

xparis001 wrote:software has full piano roll editing, and if you turn TC off you can slide it around where-ever. there are sequence edit functions on the hardware, and in theory you could use these to copy or move notes around, but this is one case where a piano roll and a mouse is far superior.

Now, about the piano roll screen, and this is VERY important; if I click/highlight a note in the editor window, will there be a field somewhere on the screen that tells me ALL the midi parameter values of that note like a standard step editor would, ie Velocity, position (like 10:03:02:54), note (C2, D#1, etc), and note duration? I despise that Maschine lacks this!

Preach brother preach! I hate that maschine can't tell me exactly where a note is in terms of a numeric position. A step editor with all the info (velocity, position, note duration, etc. really is a must have..please include this Andy..PLEASE!![/quote]

We're looking in to it. Btw xParis001 is Dan, Akai_uk is andy.

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Now, about the piano roll screen, and this is VERY important; if I click/highlight a note in the editor window, will there be a field somewhere on the screen that tells me ALL the midi parameter values of that note like a standard step editor would, ie Velocity, position (like 10:03:02:54), note (C2, D#1, etc), and note duration? I despise that Maschine lacks this![/quote]


Preach brother preach! I hate that maschine can't tell me exactly where a note is in terms of a numeric position. A step editor with all the info (velocity, position, note duration, etc. really is a must have..please include this Andy..PLEASE!![/quote]

We're looking in to it. Btw xParis001 is Dan, Akai_uk is andy.[/quote]

Got you..thanks Dan