Top 5 Dead or Alive: JJ OS Feature Edition

Jah, i can see why you are fishing in this forum for ideas to give to the Ren developers since Akai so obviously lacks the ability to come up with their own.

case in point: Ren = obvious Maschine rip-off.

when i want to use a big bloated software dongle, i'll pick up a Ren. untill then, i'm sticking with JJ.

Akai really doesn't need you in here to pass them feature suggestions. i'm sure they are more than capable of lurking this forum and ripping off any ideas that we or JJ might come up with and putting them in the Ren. copying other peoples work is the only skill that company seems to have left.

...but JJ willl ALWAYS be able to run rings around Akai because he is a one man operation who makes his decisions based on what the community wants, and what will make the MPC better, as opposed to what will make some corporation the most money. Akai has to go thru so many managers and executives and accountants and focus groups for every damn decision they make, you can see why they are so far behind the curve.

Sooty_G wrote:copying other peoples work is the only skill that company seems to have left.

WORD!

I agree with Sooty_G here. Really don't feel like listing my top 5 features here.

But do check out the JJOS2XL manual or the comparison chart and whenever you come across a feature that's not in the original Akai OS you can mark that as a feature I like.

the developers are free to buy a license from jj and make up their own minds.

btw, i think it is funny that they had dj premier (they also spelled him wrong - "premiere"!) on their list of producers they ask. he is still on his mpc 60 - so what input can he give? i think it was a lot of name dropping bs.

Sooty_G wrote:Jah, i can see why you are fishing in this forum for ideas to give to the Ren developers since Akai so obviously lacks the ability to come up with their own.

case in point: Ren = obvious Maschine rip-off.

when i want to use a big bloated software dongle, i'll pick up a Ren. untill then, i'm sticking with JJ.

Akai really doesn't need you in here to pass them feature suggestions. i'm sure they are more than capable of lurking this forum and ripping off any ideas that we or JJ might come up with and putting them in the Ren. copying other peoples work is the only skill that company seems to have left.

...but JJ willl ALWAYS be able to run rings around Akai because he is a one man operation who makes his decisions based on what the community wants, and what will make the MPC better, as opposed to what will make some corporation the most money. Akai has to go thru so many managers and executives and accountants and focus groups for every damn decision they make, you can see why they are so far behind the curve.

I could be wrong about percentages...but most of the JJ OS is the Akai code. Its core features are what all MPCs have. The new features that were added were requested years before they were actually implemented in the JJ OS. JJ rightfully gets credit for advancing the OS of the MPC 2500/1000 but the ideas of the features are far from original.

The idea of the MV and Maschine is not original. They both borrow heavily from design and specification of the MPC series. The MPC 4000 was the first sampling drum machine of its kind with computer integration (see Aksys). The new MPCs are culmination (a jack) of all these products.

As far as what I like about the JJ OS, they have already been submitted. The features that many in the forum like both JJ OS, Maschine, MPC 5000, etc have been submitted. I suspect you will see these features upon release as well as future updates. Regardless of whether anyone writes comments in this thread or not, it will not hasten or slow the development of the MPC Ren. This is just another thread in so many other threads to write about what you love about the JJ OS. And this won't be the last.

Trust me when I say this...when the MPC Ren/Studio is released...and you start seeing forum members get the new models...when you start seeing the OS updates and improvements roll out...many people here will eventually make the move. You won't be able to deny it. So I say don't miss the boat and give some feedback about what you like as you will only benfit from it in the future.......

....but I have been known to be wrong before. In th end...I do this for me first and the forum as a whole. As I like to see the continued advancement of sample technology. Check my threads in the Roland, Korg, Yamaha, and Native Instrument forums. You will see pretty much the same for quite some time now.
Cheers...

J

I love MPCs and will always use one.

cosy murx wrote:dj premier ... he is still on his mpc 60 - so what input can he give?

Uhhh... doesn't that make him a prime candidate for consultation?

Marketing strategy for the vintage mode

OK people, I'm going to make another attempt to make things as peaceful and constructive as possible...

To my fellow JJ OS users... there's no need to feel threatened or uncomfortable at all by the Ren/Studio or by Jahrome who's intentions are good and is being constructive for the benefit of the community as a whole.
The Ren/Studio models will NOT put JJ out of business, nor will they have everyone selling their MPC1000/2500. Both hardware and controller units can peacefully co-exist. I'm sure some people will make use of both units extremely well. Being able to take your MPC1000/2500 wherever you want to make a beat and then being able to export the project into the Ren/Studio is VERY GOOD.

As long as Akai keep the MPC1000 in mass production, everything will be cool. However if they discontinue the MPC1000, the only one's who will really suffer will be AKAI. I doubt they would want to shoot themselves in the foot anymore at this point in time, because bad news travels FAST. So if the 1000 gets discontinued, there will be a worldwide rebellion, and Ren/Studio sales will FAIL if that happens.
AKAI are fully aware that MPC-Forums is the center of the universe as far as the MPC community is concerned. As a matter of fact, they will be reading this post and will fully understand the consequences if they were to pull something stupid. TRUST ME. I have a lot of influence around here and they are fully aware that I'm here to be FAIR and not have to resort to any online retaliation that WILL go VIRAL if push comes to shove. I'm not making any threats here toward AKAI. But they also need to realize that undermining my presence would be a HUGE mistake if they knew how many people I know outside of these forums (many legendary producers, going back as far as the birth of house music and detroit techno... i'm not dropping names. but some of the veteran forum members know the truth of who I know).

While Hip Hop producers make a large percentage of the user base, the EDM (Electronic Dance Music) community also makes a large percentage of the user base as well. I've been part of it for over 20 years and PERSONALLY KNOW a LOT of people (somewhere in the thousands between legends and so many others that make a living, as well as the hobbyists and many other friends who I know just starting out, looking for my advice as to what gear they should buy). I can't make this shit up.. seriously!

So a word to the wise for AKAI... Do NOT force my hand if you have plans to kill the MPC1000. It WILL backfire. People WILL buy USED 1000s and BOYCOTT the Ren/Studio... and if AKAI stop making parts for these units, it WILL backfire on them as well.
Andy (MPC-Tutor) has absolutely no problem at all with me expressing my views, as it won't affect his revenue at all. But it WILL affect AKAI in the worst way possible if they choose to be foolish enough to do something shady.
Also it will NOT affect JJ at all. People will keep buying used units and keep buying the JJ OS... and THAT'S A FACT JACK (Yes Mr O'Donnell, I'm referring to YOU as well)!!!

To be clear with everyone, I'm on NEUTRAL GROUND and I'm here to keep the playing field FAIR ALL AROUND in the most POSITIVE and CONSTRUCTIVE way as possible. I don't wish to resort to worst case scenarios, BUT I am FULLY PREPARED if I need to do so, and THOUSANDS of users all over the world WILL listen to me and stand right aside of me, as i mentioned before... and YES I DO know a LOT of underground hip hop producers as well around these forums and in New York where it all started. Again, I'm not dropping names, as I DO have contacts with people who make money in the industry as well. I'm a 40 year old man with a LOT of knowledge, a LOT of influence, and a LOT of friends in this world. To undermine me would be an EPIC FAIL for AKAI.

With all that said, let's ALL WORK TOGETHER and make some progress so that EVERYONE WINS and EVERYONE IS HAPPY!
I'm not forcing anyone to contribute to this topic. But it aint gonna hurt you as long as I'm around. So either keep this topic CONSTRUCTIVE or REMAIN SILENT.
I WILL NOT tolerate ANYONE'S personal attacks on JAH or vice-versa in THIS forum. I have no jurisdiction of moderating the MPC Ren/Studio forum. But don't think for a second that Lampdog will tolerate it either. He WON'T. I know him well enough through all the conversations we've had over the past 8 years to tell you that is a FACT.
TUTOR fully understands the direction we are taking in order to do what's needed for the benefit of the community here and for MPC users around the world... and THAT's why he respects what so many of us do, including YOU (all of you here that keep things constructive). You are ALL part of the reason why this community continues to grow and make things happen.
So LET'S MAKE IT WORK!!!

distortedtekno wrote:So if the 1000 gets discontinued, there will be a worldwide rebellion, and Ren/Studio sales will FAIL if that happens.

This is wishful thinking DT.

For all we know, 1k sales could be very very low at this point and barely worth manufacturing for Akai.

First was the discontinuation of the 2500... I fear the 1k is next on the chopping block.

distortedtekno wrote:To my fellow JJ OS users... there's no need to feel threatened or uncomfortable at all by the Ren/Studio

To Be honest with you DT, I understand where your coming from on this discussion. I understand that akai have to move with the times like many audio developers, but that's just the way business world works.

Coz wrote:

distortedtekno wrote:So if the 1000 gets discontinued, there will be a worldwide rebellion, and Ren/Studio sales will FAIL if that happens.

This is wishful thinking DT.

For all we know, 1k sales could be very very low at this point and barely worth manufacturing for Akai.

First was the discontinuation of the 2500... I fear the 1k is next on the chopping block.

Yeah I know it's wishful thinking to keep the 1000 alive. I've been quite puzzled as to why the 2500 was discontinued when it was released after the 1000. I can't draw any conclusions as to why it's been discontinued. But I have to say it's very unfortunate, as many people are still wanting to buy them brand new.
Akai need to stop acting like ROLAND, who have been known to discontinue everything at the drop of a hat. Roland lost my business over a decade ago. I will never buy a new Roland product ever again for as long as I live. The classics (TR-606, 707, 808, 909, and all their analog synths are a different story).
Roland said "**** YOU" to its costumer base 10 years ago when they decided to do away with their own forum on their site. They couldn't take the criticism from all the users who all had legitimate complaints about the products that were out on the market at the time. So they lost all my respect.

Akai on the other hand are at a pivotal point as it stands right now. They either gotta shit or get off the toilet. In this economy, it's a CONSUMER'S MARKET!
That's right.. WE are the boss of AKAI and every other musical instrument manufacturer in the world. Money talks.. bullshit walks. I'm the consumer with the power, and so are you, as well as everyone else here.

The MPC1000 is THE BIGGEST SELLING MPC model ever. I'm sure it's surpassed the 2000xl in sales by a longshot... and that's saying a lot, as everyone who's owned or used a 2000xl understand it's been a tried and true go-to machine they can rely on. The 1000 and the 2500 have earned their keep, aside of any trials and tribulations along the way. They are the new classics. I've been paying very close attention to that fact over the course of the years. But Akai need to realize this as well. Maybe the sales of the 2500 were in fact suffering due to the fact that the MPC1000 can do the same (aside of the lack of physical features that the 2500 has) thanks to the JJ OS. Since the 1000 cost less than the 2500, most people have chose the 1000 over the 2500, as it's more bang for the buck.

There's some reasons right there why Akai have kept the 1000 in production for longer than any other model in the history of MPCs. Without JJ, the 1000 would've been discontinued a long time ago, as sales would've plummeted. Without the new pads (thank you Nick from VST for helping us making that happen), the 1000 would've flopped. Between Nick from VST, the JJ OS, and a huge community of users (all of you) who have been so proactive over the years, the 1000 is still alive and well... and I intend on keeping it that way.... I'm determined to do that. So while I do have some wishful thinking, I'm aware of the fact that discontinuing the MPC1000 would seriously backfire in the face of AKAI, as the Ren/Studio needs at least 3 years of support in order to be a true contender with Native Instruments, who diligently continue to support Maschine the whole time. So in my personal opinion, the hype of the Ren/Studio is just that and nothing more until enough time has gone by for me to fully be able to trust that Akai will support it in the next 3 years or more to come. Hype easily gets overshadowed by facts as far as I'm concerned, as I've been paying very close attention to all the musical instrument manufacturers worldwide since the '90s.
Sure there will be plenty of new kids looking to buy an MPC Ren/Studio without knowing anything of what I've mentioned. But in reality, that's still not big enough of a market for Akai to profit from... hence the reason they are here looking for our suggestions. MPC-Forums is STILL and will ALWAYS be the MAJORITY of Akai's market. That may not be as apparent to many people reading these forums (including Akai). But the fact remains that we have thousands of members here, and still thousands of lurkers who read these forums every day that have not signed up for a user account.

There's so many things I see that Akai tend to overlook... and quite honestly, if they paid me to work for them, they would benefit tremendously. However, I don't work for free. But I can say with the utmost certainty that from my own experiences in sales, marketing, and customer relations that I've had acquired throughout the years, every company that I've ever worked for has seen a tenfold increase in revenue due to what I know and what I have to offer. I'm not trying to blow my own horn by saying this at all. I'm being completely honest, as I know how to do all that's needed to make both the customer and the company happy beyond anything they've ever seen. If I had enough capital to start my own business in this particular industry, most companies would try to buy me out in order to eliminate the most fierce competition ever seen, as witnessed by all the previous clientele that I've been able to help in many other industries in the past. But time is money... and when companies aren't willing to pay me enough, they end up losing me and having to hire 3 people to take my place and never achieve anywhere near as close to the revenue as I'm able to achieve.

TagOne wrote:

distortedtekno wrote:To my fellow JJ OS users... there's no need to feel threatened or uncomfortable at all by the Ren/Studio

To Be honest with you DT, I understand where your coming from on this discussion. I understand that akai have to move with the times like many audio developers, but that's just the way business world works.

Business and industry are all at the mercy of the customer, to be perfectly honest with you. I'm all for the future of technology and new products. But from a business standpoint, if I were manufacturing a product that's sold as much as the 1000, I wouldn't throw out the baby with the bath water by discontinuing it. If anything, I would continue supporting the machine in every way possible, where Akai has clearly dropped the ball (ex: MPC4000, 2500, 500, and 5000 could've been HUGE money makers till this day, had Akai took the correct measures to support their customer base). I'm a guy who stands behind the products I've sold and support the customer to ensure they will keep coming back to me and not the other local business thats trying to out-sell me, but can't). It's really all about knowledge. If companies don;t have the knowledge to do any of these things, they will ultimately fail.

By all means, everything I've mentioned is merely constructive criticism for everyone to learn from based upon my own experiences. I'm not on the Anti-Akai stance that I've been on many years ago and I'm trying to be as objective as possible. If anything, I'm fairly satisfied that Akai employees have been very proactive in the Ren/Studio forum, answering questions, showing us progress, taking suggestions, and taking all the good and the bad along with it. These engineers are very excited and passionate about their work, and it's refreshing to see that. Making progress is good.
However, corporate decisions about other aspects do need lots of improvement.

distortedtekno wrote:By all means, everything I've mentioned is merely constructive criticism for everyone to learn from based upon my own experiences

No doubt DT, I dig what your saying. I feel that the ren/studio won't really affect me as an mpc 1000 JJ user, can't ever seeing me swapping or selling my mpc 1000 for any other sampler to be honest with you. Feel like the new JJOS03 will give the ren/studio a run for it's money. Think we are just at the beginning of a whole new chapter as far as the JJ OS03 is concerned, just imagine if JJ was able to code the OS to constantly read itself off the HDD, it would open up an endless ball park of possibilities for the mpc 1000.