How will you route your sound

I plan on routing it the same way I route my maschine. I doubt I will fully use the internal audio card that is built in unless I REALLY like the sound of it. but either way. you don't need it to ever be analog audio unit either bounce down or just monitoring... as far as getting the 3000 sound. from what they are saying there will be internal loopback from those converters so it's a non issue.


so basically I will either have the ren running to my mixing console then out to the monitors or it will use my other audio interfaces (which already go to the mixing console then out to the monitors)

as far as having 3 drives.. I kinda dissagree unless your streaming from the HDD but normally your using ram.. so really I just use 2 drives one for apps and one for samples and recordings (except when in Logic using vocal intensive recordings I do use a third ) but smaller vocal recordings like sampling into ren or doing a quick vocal or instrument track a regular laptop would be fine, a laptop with a decent 7200rpm external drive would be perfect.

Flux302 wrote:I plan on routing it the same way I route my maschine. I doubt I will fully use the internal audio card that is built in unless I REALLY like the sound of it. but either way. you don't need it to ever be analog audio unit either bounce down or just monitoring... as far as getting the 3000 sound. from what they are saying there will be internal loopback from those converters so it's a non issue.

Thats also something I was worried about, but if your saying that the sound is gonna sound like what your hearing out of the MPC's outs than thats great, I like that. I guess I'll get a better grip on it once I get it. I mean hopefully it does maintain that MPC sound even when you Bounce it down track by track. And when I spoke of people with laptops, I meant USB ports, Like USB hubs can only support but so much.

I was thinking the same thing because I'm using the Duet 2...

I just talked to Big Dan and he replied:


Disable the ren or disable the duet. Can't use them together though.

ceasi wrote:Im just wondering how will any person route their sound, because I cant wrap my head around this theory. Your sound will actually come from the outs on the Controller, which is actually coming from the internal sounds inside of your computer ie (vst's/samples/drums). Its like would you then route the master outputs of the hardware controller, back into a usb/firewire recording interface, which is connected to the same computer the sound is originating from, and the same hard drive the original file is originally stored on ..... I just figured it out, the outs on the controller replace your interface right......... but what if you have keyboards hooked up via midi to a mixer to the recording interface, you'll have to record that into your daw some how right, therefore you can't get rid of your interface, this is something thats just been stirring my mind, something I've been thinking about. I mean Im thinking of different ways to do it now and there are ways to have all that gear hooked up, but has anyone else thought of this situation were going to run into.

I hear what all the guys with interfaces are saying, but if you as me its a bunch of Bull Sh--. I don't have an interface and was excited that the Ren came with one, but now I hear that I may need an interface for the interface. Whatever son, it's not the hammer, its the carpenter. Fu-- a 3K sound. What ever I can't get from the virtuals via USB I just wont have. The 3000 mode and 60 mode are also insert effects ( I got that straight from the dark haired guy on You Tube). So what ever they can do that's fine but I assume the outs help deliver a more accurate result.

Don't think I would sell the Fantom-S for a second interface. I'll just stick with Logic and the Virtual USB Outs on the REN. Also considering just working with the Studio and continue using the Fantom-S Sampler.

You Tube - look around 4:00 mins. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-3ZTxgDyis

The point is unless your using 2 computers YOU CAN"T use 2 interfaces at the same time... It's either one or the other...

Big Saccs Sinatra wrote:The point is unless your using 2 computers YOU CAN"T use 2 interfaces at the same time... It's either one or the other...

OSX got Aggregate Device feature for audio interfaces, indeed. You CAN use more than one interface at the time, usually.

3k sounds are inserts effects if in the box and we can get 3k emulation if
we track out at the outputs this isn't a big issue for most if you are working
inside the box. The real issue would be it seems if you are recording outside
your project setup tracking out at a into a mixing board or something then you
would be straight at least.

Anyways my main concern is how well the software and control work
together.

Big Saccs Sinatra wrote:The point is unless your using 2 computers YOU CAN"T use 2 interfaces at the same time... It's either one or the other...

I did some researching and I see your point here. But in the case of the REN "3K Outs" I think you can use it with another interface, here is why. The ren is connected via USB for its own software but you are not using the I/O to convert the sound in Logic or PT. You would be using, lets just say the MOTU Microbook II or better yet the Akai EIE Pro. So you would not be running two conversions at once. Either the REN durring beat construction, or the EIE durring the audio dump. I still suggest sampling everything, including VST sounds into the REN and them dumping the Audio into a DAW via the "3K Outs". Exporting is good too, If you don't want to use the 3k Outs. In that scenario no additional interface is needed though.


Can one of the Akai guys chime in and let us know if the Export feature takes any special modeling into account to try and simulate the "3k Outs" sound. I think that is good thing to know here. Why worry about new interfaces and "3k Outs" if the Export gets you 70% there.


I only read like 30% of this article but there is good information here.

Multiple Interfaces on one Computer - Sound On Sound - http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb06/a ... sician.htm

What I was really referring to is more like this...

The MPC Ren outs connected to a 8 channel mixer, also you have a keyboard synth running thru the same mixer, and thats connected by midi to the Ren. Ok, your mixer is connected to your monitors, and your stereo sound system. My whole thing is the audio used to be routed differently, usually everything goes thru the mixer to the computer, but NOW all of your major sound is coming from the computer already, and the keyboard thats hooked up is just running thru the mixer to the speakers, because your mixer is not gonna route audio back to the computer, you get what I'm sayin. And then that makes you ask how am I suppose to hook my outboard gear up to it, how am I supposed to get those sounds in the final bounce, because thats not running thru to the computer, its just running thru the mixer thats just hooked up to the speakers. I mean there are ways to do it, you could bounce all the files from the ren, to logic/PT whatever DAW you use, then once you do that, you can sync the ren with that daw, and then round the sound from the keyboard into your daw that way..... Ok, so that means you can't/won't be using the outs on the Ren, because you need the ins from lets say your avid mbox to record the audio from the keyboard, into your daw, or CAN you use the Inputs on the Ren as audio inputs into your daw, because if so that would be,,,,, just wow SPECTACULAR, that would be great. It would solve some problems with this whole audio interface problem, and that would also mean that when you play tracks from your DAW, it would come from the Rens outs as well, and the mixer your running is a volume knob for the speakers, individual volume knobs of course. What I really wanna know is how will this problem be addressed, has it ever even been thought of as a problem, any insight Akai guys.

Good topic

I am running a PT HD2 rig with superlow latency and there is no reason for me to use the ren interface BUT the 3k sound

Now this is where it gets really interesting:

How can I get the benefit of the 3000 IN/OUT circuitry and still use my HD System.

1)

MPC Software would work standalone alongside Pro Tools and I would sync them through internal Midi Clock & run outs of Interface into HD RIg

MPC soft would be slave and PT master

2)

Akai come up with something better

If I were you guys (and I'm not trying to be mean) I would really be hitting my DAW really hard using your current hardware gear. I mean that basically many people that already work with computers can bump tracks using external instrument tracks at least (in logic ) or old school aux tracks to stereo file bounces. It seems and I mean it seems that only people moving over from strictly hardware hardware are having trouble wrapping their heads around it.

Really it would be the same as rewire we are using now with reason or ableton coming into our daws regardless if you routed into your mixer for external effects then back into your daws which many have been doing since the 80's.

Havent read the whole thread so I dont know if this has already been said.

Im in a dilemma. I use multiple ins and outs on my interface as I have an analog mixer i use for recording and sending tracks from Daw/interface outs back to the mixer. I use way more than 2 or 4 ins and outs. So, if I use the Rens audio card I cannot use my current interface or my mixer and thats not an option for me) I will not be able to use two interfaces at the same time when running the Ren as a VST. But, if I use it standalone that may be OK as long as I can then send the Ren rewire or even midi clock from an external source. The Rens outs would be plugged in to my analog mixer. But then again, Rewire usually doesn't allow for us to select a different interface for the slaved rewired unit ie the Ren. So, it looks like its either with the Rens card or without it. I will have to use it without unless on some occasions I want the 60/3000 sound. But how good or accurate that is remains to be seen.

None of that is a particularly elegant solution to be honest. I use PC for my music so its not like I can use Aggregate which you can on Macs. This allows you to use multiple interfaces at the same time. I used it a few years ago but it was a bit of a carry on. Perhaps its better now.

Ultimately I much prefer the look of the Ren over the studio and I suspect I will end up using it in VST mode pretty much all the time under the hood of my current interface. I realise I will be paying extra for the Rens audio interface but as I say I much prefer the whole look and know I will prefer the feel of working on that machine Vs the Studio version.

Just a thought.

The Rens emulation of the 3000 and 60 is hardware based (ie inside the audio interface) Right?. That's what one of the Akai guys said on the other thread. Then how does it render that sound even if you use it as the sole audio interface. I mean render as in bounce as you normally do with your Daw. Well, that's BS then because it wouldn't be able to do that. We monitor through sound cards. The only way to capture the sound of your soundcard would be to directly connect its outs to the in puts. That means the emulation will have to be software based So what was the point of giving it the S3000/MPC3k converters. And is that really what it has? The 3000 converters are really not what you would want as the main source for your Daw monitoring and general recording becasue they have a coloured sound. it makes stuff a little brighter, and removes some of the bass. I like what it does, dont get me wrong but it doesnt mean I want that for my monitoring of VSTs, recording vocals , instruments and so on.

The more I think about the Rens design, the soundcard, as in if you already have one, the emulation which is claimed is hardware based, the look of the machine, and how it integrates with a setup makes me think it was going to be a hybrid but somewhere along the road they ditched the idea.

Maybe Ive got some info wrong here?

Maybe they will somehow split the signal before hitting that 3000 DA stage

ie. parts of sounds will be routed clear others will g o the path of 3000 DA, then in the end it will all be mixed into one a stereo out.

The guy mentioned that you can have pads assigned to 3000 or not 3000 and thats still meantioned

Guess time will tell...

Funkydrops wrote:

Big Saccs Sinatra wrote:The point is unless your using 2 computers YOU CAN"T use 2 interfaces at the same time... It's either one or the other...

OSX got Aggregate Device feature for audio interfaces, indeed. You CAN use more than one interface at the time, usually.

WRONG I JUST DID IT .. i have a duet and a mbox ... the way i have it hooked up is .. abeltionlive is out out put to my asr 10 ..from my asr 10 in to my duet .. my duet going out from my comp to my montiers ... i can sample off my comp threw abeltion live to my asr 10 .. i use this so i can scrool threw samples ... lol i did not prooff read this lol .. my point is it can be done ..