low end theory with only mpc

do you guys ever assign your samples to two separate programs, double up the track, then use the lpf in the mpc to get a bass going? if so, do you make the bass considerably lower (in level) than the sample track, or do you usually just wait and do this in your DAW when you track out?

i've only done it in my DAW before, but have been thinking about maybe doing this in the mpc, although i dont really know about the filters in the mp for this kind of thing.

if you have a track on your soundcloud or something that you have done this on in the mp, i would be really glad to listen to it.

I kind of did it with this track, but the filter is not from the MPC... it's from the S950. I recorded the sample track from the mpc into the S950 (for every sequence) and re-recorded it back into the MPC after applying the 950s filter.



I did it before using only an MPC, but i can't recall which beat it was...

All done in the DAW for me...

@ jibber, that bass sounds really defined, but i feel the kick almost gets overwhelmed by the bass sometimes because the frequencies from the kick get masked by the bass, although it works for this track imo.. but it usually doesnt.
its a problem i seem to be having when i use the low end theory, how do you guys get around this?

do you find the s950s filter more musical than the mpcs?

@ both of you, if you could check out the bass in this beat im working on and see if it sounds alright to you. its still a rough mix, but does anything stick out in particular when you listen to it? do you think i should add more low end, or take some more away?

i just listened to my intro after i heard your beat and it seems like your bass is wayy hotter than mine. maybe during the final mix i'll try turning it up a bit.

http://soundcloud.com/user3968693/enka- ... nd/s-rL3X2

the process for me lately has been, apply a hpf to the main sample so the lows arent in it, usually around 200 to 300 hz, then ill double my track and add a low pass to the main bet and let up to 250 or 300 come in.

it varies from track to track, but i feel that if you add a hpf to the main sample, then on the double add a low pass at around the same frequency it seems to make the beat sound fuller and your not really losing any of the frequency spectrum that way either.

Here ya go,,, low-end theory bass, all done in the MPC. In fact the whole beat was 2 tracked out of the MPC (not mixed,,,)

elevated, thats dope, the filters actually sound pretty good on the mpc, what mpc were you using?

MPC1000 w/ JJOS. The JJOS filters are slightly different, and in different versions.

damien907 wrote:@ jibber, that bass sounds really defined, but i feel the kick almost gets overwhelmed by the bass sometimes because the frequencies from the kick get masked by the bass, although it works for this track imo.. but it usually doesnt.
its a problem i seem to be having when i use the low end theory, how do you guys get around this?

do you find the s950s filter more musical than the mpcs?

@ both of you, if you could check out the bass in this beat im working on and see if it sounds alright to you. its still a rough mix, but does anything stick out in particular when you listen to it? do you think i should add more low end, or take some more away?

i just listened to my intro after i heard your beat and it seems like your bass is wayy hotter than mine. maybe during the final mix i'll try turning it up a bit.

http://soundcloud.com/user3968693/enka- ... nd/s-rL3X2

The filter of the S950 is more subtle compared to MPCs. It doesn't completly low pass the sample, even if you turn it to extreme settings, some of the higher frequencies still come through. This worked nice so far when using the low end theory. It seems to me that the low passed sample blends in nicer when it still has some higher frequencies remaining in there... but i don't know jack shit about mixing and frequencies yet... it's just my personal observation, don't take it as fact please.

To me your mix sounded fine (tested here at work with logitech speakers and a sub). Personally i have a habit i need to get out of, which is to run the bassline at too high volume and EQ it too bass heavy... i don't think it's a good practice. Less is more sometimes... when i listen again here at work to the beat i've posted, mine sounds like too much volume for the bass... and also too much boosting on the lows...

you guys are crazy.. mpc is dope for low end theory.

for me its 2500 jjos1..

& since we are beat droppin..





whats the problem with low end theory inthe mpc>?

padlock wrote:whats the problem with low end theory inthe mpc>?

None? I did it before using just an MPC and it was fine, i simply can't remember which beat it was... that's why i posted the example with the S950. Low end theory with only an MPC is perfectly fine IMO.

PS: Dope beats, especially the first one!

padlock, did you low pass in the mpc for these two beats? they sound dope btw.

whats your process when you do this?do you add the actual samples to a separate low pass track while your making the beat, or do you just apply a filter to the main sample track while your tracking out?

damien907 wrote:do you guys ever assign your samples to two separate programs, double up the track, then use the lpf in the mpc to get a bass going? if so, do you make the bass considerably lower (in level) than the sample track, or do you usually just wait and do this in your DAW when you track out?

i've only done it in my DAW before, but have been thinking about maybe doing this in the mpc, although i dont really know about the filters in the mp for this kind of thing.

You can totally be able to do it with MPC (since I don't know how to use DAWs!) I often use two same sample chop on different pads, then assign different low pass filer, then trigger at same time. also detune one of the assigned pad a tiny bit and you get chorus effect. It is a old synth trick.

Here's how it sound (shameless plug)

Off topic: JVC, i was always wondering if you are the same guy from youtube...
You make some really great music, love your remakes and also your own stuff, keep it up man!

jibber wrote:Off topic: JVC, i was always wondering if you are the same guy from youtube...
You make some really great music, love your remakes and also your own stuff, keep it up man!

Thank you very much! I consider myself "DJ", rather than musician, because I don't compose music.
Right now, I'm trying to learn how to play keys right now. Long, long way to go...

Drum programming, chopping and using samples, mixing and arranging songs is definitely COMPOSING MUSIC. Cut that shiit out. Give yourself some credit