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MONSTA wrote:but the machine can inspire the man .. i need to copy right that

anything can inspire the man. thats the beauty of inspiration

MONSTA wrote:

DJ Hellfire wrote:

MONSTA wrote:its not that simple . if it was then . everyone would just use fl ..

What he's saying is that sound you love is the art and takes skill. The machine you use doesn't matter. An artist can create that sound on any canvas, whether it's MPC, MV, Reason, Maschine or FL. Goes back to the saying "it's the Man not the Machine"!

but the machine can inspire the man .. i need to copy right that

Touche!

masada2502 wrote:Dan ,so your saying u got the RENs latency as low as a stand alone Mpc?wow!if this is true I'm happy.

I've always told my peers that the 4k never felt as tight( or the first 2k) as previous models now I know why....I'm very sensitive to latency(u probably noticed how many times I asked ?s about latency.)lol again great job and thanks I really appreciate the input you are giving all of us ....now more software videos and behind the scenes development clips.....this forum has become my favorite internet pastime .its like a reality show .....addictive,lol

Your wrong about the 4k and this can be proven, and has been proven.

Innerclocksystems have just done a timing clock test on the 4k. That thing is as tight as you can get. I did my own test which produced 4 samples of drift between quarter notes but innerclock has produced results stating a completely insignificant 1 sample of midi drift using a 16th note test. That is nothing, you cannot feel that and definitely cannot hear it.

This makes the MPC4k literally 1 sample away from being sample accurate which is what the Ren will be when inside your Daw. Truly impressive for such an old machine. Think about it. 1 sample away from being sample accurate WOW

As for your 2k Im sorry to inform you when I tested it I got nearly 60 samples of slop between quarter notes. A far cry from the 4k and the 3k for that matter.

Please stop telling your peers the 4k isnt as tight as a 2k. its much tighter and next to the 3k is the only MPC which can compete with the Ren. In fact the difference between them is nothing at all. And again WOW

http://www.innerclocksystems.com/New%20 ... itmus.html



LITMUS TEST RESULTS
Akai MPC-4000/OS Version 1.71

Test Date:25.02.12

This Test: Pattern Mode/Cycle - Internal Sync

Number of samples [48 kHz] between consecutive Sixteenth Notes:
5999/ 5999/ 6000/ 5999/ 5999/ 5999/ 6000/ 5999/ 5999/ 5999/ 6000/ 5999/ 6000/ 5999/ 5999/ 5999

Maximum variation between any two consecutive Sixteenth Note intervals:
1 Samples [0.02ms]

Litmus Ranking: 5/5

This Test: Song Mode - Internal Sync

Number of samples [48 kHz] between consecutive Sixteenth Notes:
6000/ 6000/ 5996/ 6001/ 6000/ 5999/ 5996/ 6003/ 5999/ 6000/ 5994/ 6004/ 5999/ 5999/ 5995/ 6004

Maximum variation between any two consecutive Sixteenth Note intervals:
11 Samples [0.23ms]

Litmus Ranking: 5/5

This Test: Pattern Mode/Cycle - External Sample Accurate Midi Clock

Number of samples [48 kHz] between consecutive Sixteenth Notes:
6000/ 5998/ 5999/ 6000/ 5999/ 6000/ 5998/ 6000/ 5999/ 5999/ 6000/ 6000/ 5999/ 5999/ 6001/ 5998

Maximum variation between any two consecutive Sixteenth Note intervals:
3 Samples [0.06ms]

Litmus Ranking: 5/5

This Test: Song Mode - External Sample Accurate Midi Clock

Number of samples [48 kHz] between consecutive Sixteenth Notes:
5999/ 5999/ 6000/ 5998/ 6000/ 5998/ 6000/ 5998/ 5999/ 6000/ 6000/ 5999/ 5998/ 6000/ 5999/ 6000

Maximum variation between any two consecutive Sixteenth Note intervals:
2 Samples [0.04ms]

Litmus Ranking: 5/5

I have read as much of the thread as I could but couldnt find the answer to this one:

First Im delighted the Ren will read my 4k progs and sequences.

But if I make a programme on the Ren can I save it in 4k format so I can then load it in to my 4k

Anyone?

labcoats wrote:I have read as much of the thread as I could but couldnt find the answer to this one:

First Im delighted the Ren will read my 4k progs and sequences.

But if I make a programme on the Ren can I save it in 4k format so I can then load it in to my 4k

Anyone?

IM STILL WAITING ON MY ANSER IF IT CAN READ MPC 3000 PRG .. i know it will load mpc 3000 sounds . but idk know about the programs

Typically, new MPCs donot export programs in formats that older MPCs can read. The MPC Ren will be an exception has it is projected to export in formats read by current MPCs such as the 1000, 2500, 5000.

I anticipate it will read MPC 3000 program files. But nothing is concrete until the full spec is released. So we will just have to sit back and wait.....or kill time by writing all 'our' needs and wants in the multiple feature request-type threads.............

If it doesnt reverse write for the hardware machines they will be missing a trick.

labcoats wrote:If it doesnt reverse write for the hardware machines they will be missing a trick.

if not ill just use this for my mpc 3000 http://homepage.mac.com/seishu/ssworks/rs16x/rs16x.html

What I don't understand is why people want to be able to make a beat on the Ren and then take it backwards to an older MPC. I do understand people that want to make a beat on lets say, a 2kxl and transfer that to the ren, and work from there, but why do some wanna make a beat on the Ren, then take it to an older MPC, WHYYYYYYY. I mean it makes sense to wanna be able to use whatever you already have then move it to the Ren, but backwards makes no sense, whats the point, really.

ceasi wrote:What I don't understand is why people want to be able to make a beat on the Ren and then take it backwards to an older MPC. I do understand people that want to make a beat on lets say, a 2kxl and transfer that to the ren, and work from there, but why do some wanna make a beat on the Ren, then take it to an older MPC, WHYYYYYYY. I mean it makes sense to wanna be able to use whatever you already have then move it to the Ren, but backwards makes no sense, whats the point, really.

For sending because to another producer who doesn't have a Ren. For example, if me an my homie wanna collab on a beat, but he only has an XL, it still be cool to be able to boomerang the beat back and forth between the Ren and the XL.

DJ Hellfire wrote:

ceasi wrote:What I don't understand is why people want to be able to make a beat on the Ren and then take it backwards to an older MPC. I do understand people that want to make a beat on lets say, a 2kxl and transfer that to the ren, and work from there, but why do some wanna make a beat on the Ren, then take it to an older MPC, WHYYYYYYY. I mean it makes sense to wanna be able to use whatever you already have then move it to the Ren, but backwards makes no sense, whats the point, really.

For sending because to another producer who doesn't have a Ren. For example, if me an my homie wanna collab on a beat, but he only has an XL, it still be cool to be able to boomerang the beat back and forth between the Ren and the XL.

Based on how Akai has handled programs in the past you still wouldn't be able to effectively do it.
You lose program distinction meaning it drops functions and features that don't exist in a given format.
So going back and forth wouldn't work because it would constantly be dropping aspects of what you may have added or changed in the different formats.

To effectively work they way you are thinking it would have to be able to translate them and retain the differences.

Best bet would be for your homie to save up and get a Studio if you plan to go back and forth.

ntalec wrote:

DJ Hellfire wrote:

ceasi wrote:What I don't understand is why people want to be able to make a beat on the Ren and then take it backwards to an older MPC. I do understand people that want to make a beat on lets say, a 2kxl and transfer that to the ren, and work from there, but why do some wanna make a beat on the Ren, then take it to an older MPC, WHYYYYYYY. I mean it makes sense to wanna be able to use whatever you already have then move it to the Ren, but backwards makes no sense, whats the point, really.

For sending because to another producer who doesn't have a Ren. For example, if me an my homie wanna collab on a beat, but he only has an XL, it still be cool to be able to boomerang the beat back and forth between the Ren and the XL.

Based on how Akai has handled programs in the past you still wouldn't be able to effectively do it.
You lose program distinction meaning it drops functions and features that don't exist in a given format.
So going back and forth wouldn't work because it would constantly be dropping aspects of what you may have added or changed in the different formats.

To effectively work they way you are thinking it would have to be able to translate them and retain the differences.

Best bet would be for your homie to save up and get a Studio if you plan to go back and forth.

Yeah, I know, but I'm assuming the people requesting this feature would want Akai to come up with a way to avoid this. I personally don't care for the feature! I just want Ren to read my old shit!

What is the minimum operating system on PC that will be required, is it 7 or earlier (vista/xp)?

according to akai website, XP

ceasi wrote:What I don't understand is why people want to be able to make a beat on the Ren and then take it backwards to an older MPC. I do understand people that want to make a beat on lets say, a 2kxl and transfer that to the ren, and work from there, but why do some wanna make a beat on the Ren, then take it to an older MPC, WHYYYYYYY. I mean it makes sense to wanna be able to use whatever you already have then move it to the Ren, but backwards makes no sense, whats the point, really.

There are a number of reasons I would want to reverse the process and they all make perfect sense to me.

An obvious one: Lets say I buy the Studio version and I did some work with it on my laptop. So far so good. But my actual studio has a console, outboard, and of course my 4k has the separate out expansion. Oh, and lets not forget i have some analogs which I sequence from the 4k because its midi is tighter than any computer USB thing. The combination of my mixer, the EQ I use on it, the outboard, the summing of the mixers sound all make a HUGE difference to the overall sound I get compared to something I would mix entirely in the box - which is how the Ren will be used in most cases by most people. Some stuff I do I am in no doubt I will be fine with the VST MPC and mixing in the box, but others I wont be. I have absolutely no intention of selling my 4k becasue through a console it most definitely has a vibe as would any MPC. Now I can hear your brain ticking away ready to suggest i should just send the Ren to channels on my Daw and then send those to my console. yes, I can do that but in my experience something is missing when I do that with VST drum machines. If I had an MPC 60 I certainly wouldnt jump on the Ren. Despite the emulation mode Im 100% certain the sound will not be the same. It cannot be unless it has the exact same circuitry from top to bottom. It will be close, but not the same. The 3000 Im not so sure either. Stuff like the 500, 2500, 1000 no problem, and perhaps even the 4k to but in my opinion the 4k has a sound about it to. Its very present and clean but really quite organic and lively.


Another reason could be that i could make programmes up on the Studio ver and transfer them to the 4k. Granted its pretty easy to do that anyway on a 4k, but I am a lot faster editing audio on my computer so that would be handy.

There are other reasons that all make sense but thatll do for now