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By phantomsound Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:30 pm
Hello ,

I was trying to use simult pad but with more then 4 layers and I really don't how to set it up
in my mpc 1000 jjos2xl.I mean I know it is possible to do.I did the following I have set a pad A01 to be simult with
pads :A02,A03,A04 and that works fine.However I wanted pad A04 triggered also pad B01 so I have set the pad A04 to
be in simult mode with B01 and it doesn't work.No matter if i used simult 1 or 2 - it is not working .
What I missed in the setup?

Thanks for the help
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By bliprock Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:41 pm
Simult pad will only trigger those four assigned voices, so yeah if your using for it for hits then time maybe to sample the hit your creating after 4 layers and then you can layer this with more simult. how many layers do you need and why is resampling not an option?
This is where JJOSXL pattern to pad feature can save your bacon to, of course, if you think about it. This is how you do it, follow my steps and you will achieve what you want.
First we are going to set it up, and this needs to be done in oder to make your MEGA SIMULT hit. Its crucial you make all hits happen at the same time of course, but you do not have to, say for example for flams. But you must make sure it is exactly the START of the bar.
1. Just simply use a few simult pads to record your million hits at the start of a track. Max is 32 voices anyways so you wont be able to use more than 16 stereo voices, in this or any other method. 3 full simult pads is is 15 voices of stereo, equalling 30 of 32 voices, leaving you with two, which is why resampling is good here.
So think about you voice limit as well. But what you want is every pad you want in your mega simult set up recorded first in a track. So for instance I can use simult to record Pads 1 plus simult gives me pads 2-5, then i manually add Pads 6B, 9B, 8C, 9D, 12D, 14D. As long as they are all recorded at the exact start of the bar you are halfway there.
2. The track only needs to be one bar, but recorded SIMULT hit must be at the start of the bar as I said. You could use any track, even at the same time you are listening to other stuff you are doing so you can hear if it is same as something else if your copying, or if it fits in a mix. The trick here is looping that one bar so you can hear the huge simultaneous SIMULTs hit you have made, and if you have set loop on you can hit start and audition you work instantly. So this enable you to build that mega simult hit in context or compare but not commit to recording it yet, and still have all the program parameters intact. Thats why I think you are not re-sampling that layered sample. Right?
3. Now, track to pattern of that MEGA SIMULT you made, of that one bar its at the start of. Then.....
4. assigned a pad to pattern play in the main screen, you guessed it assign the pattern you just made to that pad.
5. Abracadabra you have now a pad that triggers more than four other notes, just like you wanted. It also records this as well. give it a go.
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By Bugfix Mon Apr 02, 2012 4:20 pm
phantomsound wrote:I did the following I have set a pad A01 to be simult with
pads :A02,A03,A04 and that works fine.However I wanted pad A04 triggered also pad B01 so I have set the pad A04 to
be in simult mode with B01 and it doesn't work.

Works fine with os3.17
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By bliprock Mon Apr 02, 2012 5:43 pm
Bugfix wrote:
phantomsound wrote:I did the following I have set a pad A01 to be simult with
pads :A02,A03,A04 and that works fine.However I wanted pad A04 triggered also pad B01 so I have set the pad A04 to
be in simult mode with B01 and it doesn't work.

Works fine with os3.17
I think he is talking about more than 4 simult pads at once bugfix. So you actually can not do what he is saying and chain the simults together for more than 5 pads total. but it does work over many banks yes if its only four simults. But he only mentions three so who knows
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By Bugfix Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:30 am
Ah, I did't read he meant chain. Well I would just use velocity switch for that so 5 simult pads x 3 velo layers = up to 15 samples
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By bliprock Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:39 am
Bugfix wrote:Ah, I did't read he meant chain. Well I would just use velocity switch for that so 5 simult pads x 3 velo layers = up to 15 samples

yeah true velocity layers will do it to after you set velocities to same range, but it means these samples will not have separate program settings, and I think thats why he does not resample. Maybe he might come back and enlighten us some more, lol.
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By Bugfix Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:16 am
yeah, once I have made a program where only bank A was only active and BCD were simulted all with layers. Than after recording I was switching samples with q-link having 20 layers to choose, so yes you sacifice some control but with veolcity you can set up every layer to any range, so layers can be very mixed up through pads
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By Funkydrops Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:57 am
Bugfix wrote:3. Now, track to pattern of that MEGA SIMULT you made, of that one bar its at the start of. Then.....
4. assigned a pad to pattern play in the main screen, you guessed it assign the pattern you just made to that pad.
5. Abracadabra you have now a pad that triggers more than four other notes,


yeah, once I have made a program where only bank A was only active and BCD were simulted all with layers. Than after recording I was switching samples with q-link having 20 layers to choose


Nice tricks.
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By Bugfix Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:37 pm
Funkydrops wrote:
Bugfix wrote:3. Now, track to pattern of that MEGA SIMULT you made, of that one bar its at the start of. Then.....
4. assigned a pad to pattern play in the main screen, you guessed it assign the pattern you just made to that pad.
5. Abracadabra you have now a pad that triggers more than four other notes,


I didn't said that :lol:

I can add that every layer was on different velocity range, so whole 128 was divided to equal range for all layers in ABCD simult,

so pad A1 looks like

Layer1 1-8
Layer2 9-16
Layer3 17-24..

pad B1
L1 25-32
L2 33-40
L3 41-49 and so on

so if I strike pad A1 with vel=33 only the layer 2 from pad B1 will sound for example or whatever is set. Level of a sample (volume) to velocity have to be disabled.
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By bliprock Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:28 pm
and the phantom is living up to his name i see.
Bugfix wrote:
I can add that every layer was on different velocity range, so whole 128 was divided to equal range for all layers in ABCD simult,

so pad A1 looks like

Layer1 1-8
Layer2 9-16
Layer3 17-24..

pad B1
L1 25-32
L2 33-40
L3 41-49 and so on

so if I strike pad A1 with vel=33 only the layer 2 from pad B1 will sound for example or whatever is set. Level of a sample (volume) to velocity have to be disabled.

Yeah thats kinda cool. I will have to try it out - is that so it acts more like an instrument ?
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By Bugfix Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:56 pm
No that's not target here, thing is all this is recordable with velocity, so if I enter simple sequence I can switch through samples and record that afterwards, like program change. And I write it wrong, it should start from 127 on A bank going down to D