Bug reports & end-user support for Akai's MPC Software 'controllers' including the new MPC Studio 2, the MPC Touch, MPC Renaissance & original MPC Studio and MPC StudioB lack.
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By MeSoHordey Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:57 am
There are some dope things about each product to be sure...but nothing has really convinced me to buy. Here's why;

1. Not convinced Akai can code a decent VST - latency and CPU load are my biggest concerns here (Ren / Studio)
2. Not convinced Retronyms can code a decent MPC app.
3. Not convinced Akai will be able to provide decent support for any of the new products. For the Fly, outsourced apps are notoriously hard to support anyways, and especially so for companies with a poor track record like Akai. For integrated controller setups like maschine, a close relationship with your customers is especially important. Akai has no support forum which is critical to users for comparing notes, submitting bugs and helping each other with solutions. In addition, Akai has never been good about developing updates. Each new hardware release becomes the most important and older models are quickly forgotten. This won't work for a complex PC-based environment that is constantly changing.
4. Controllers, by nature, become obsolete over time as operating systems evolve - they rarely hold their value over time and often have very little aftermarket parts support (Ren / Studio / Fly)
5. In the case of the Fly, I don't believe Akai will be able to keep the hardware compatible with new versions of the iPad. You're buying this thing to last a couple of years.
6. Cost for all three is too high. I can buy any traditional MPC for the price of the Ren and have money left over to buy a bunch of additional hardware.
7. Existing VSTs and integrated controller solutions have already gotten a headstart on the new Akai lineup. The first group of people working with these solutions will essentially be beta testers with no real offical way to learn from each other. Workflows may eventually get better over time, but not before the kinks are worked out.

I'm still interested in these products, but I'll be more interested if Akai can prove they are not all about the latest release and solve some of these concerns through their actions - rather than just a couple of reps assuring us through you tube video clips.
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By Blue Haze Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:46 am
MeSoHordey wrote:There are some dope things about each product to be sure...but nothing has really convinced me to buy. Here's why;

1. Not convinced Akai can code a decent VST - latency and CPU load are my biggest concerns here (Ren / Studio)
2. Not convinced Retronyms can code a decent MPC app.
3. Not convinced Akai will be able to provide decent support for any of the new products. For the Fly, outsourced apps are notoriously hard to support anyways, and especially so for companies with a poor track record like Akai. For integrated controller setups like maschine, a close relationship with your customers is especially important. Akai has no support forum which is critical to users for comparing notes, submitting bugs and helping each other with solutions. In addition, Akai has never been good about developing updates. Each new hardware release becomes the most important and older models are quickly forgotten. This won't work for a complex PC-based environment that is constantly changing.
4. Controllers, by nature, become obsolete over time as operating systems evolve - they rarely hold their value over time and often have very little aftermarket parts support (Ren / Studio / Fly)
5. In the case of the Fly, I don't believe Akai will be able to keep the hardware compatible with new versions of the iPad. You're buying this thing to last a couple of years.
6. Cost for all three is too high. I can buy any traditional MPC for the price of the Ren and have money left over to buy a bunch of additional hardware.
7. Existing VSTs and integrated controller solutions have already gotten a headstart on the new Akai lineup. The first group of people working with these solutions will essentially be beta testers with no real offical way to learn from each other. Workflows may eventually get better over time, but not before the kinks are worked out.

I'm still interested in these products, but I'll be more interested if Akai can prove they are not all about the latest release and solve some of these concerns through their actions - rather than just a couple of reps assuring us through you tube video clips.



Reasonable concerns good. 8)
By jpeg Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:26 pm
after a year or so the price will drop then the shit will be atractive, dont care about it holding value cos i aint buying it as an investment im buying it to enjoy using.

i dont see support as a huge issue ive had all sorts of samplers and drum machines and have neva used the support from any company.

dont care about how the ren will run in other hosts i plan to use it stand alone in much the same way i currently use maschine .
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By MPC-Tutor Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:56 pm
jpeg wrote:i dont see support as a huge issue ive had all sorts of samplers and drum machines and have neva used the support from any company.
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I think the key issue isn't necessarily 'support' in terms of 'I need help', it's more concern about whether bugs will be fixed (e.g. like they weren't with the 5000, no matter how loud we screamed), whether new features will be implemented, and if they are, will they be the ones people actually want. What will happen to these new MPCs in 3 years time?

Obviously Akai want to make long term money from their customers, but will it be the same business model as before (release, minor software updates, abandon for new model), or is this different (release, lots of ongoing updates, new software options available via paid 'upgrade' process so no need to buy new hardware etc).

Will the ren be the only MPC hardware you'll ever need to buy? Will it still work with MPC software releases a few years down the line, will you have to completely replace hardware to use future versions of the software, or can you purchase incremental hardware upgrades?
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By Blue Haze Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:02 pm
Good call and I guess Dan or Andy will answer whether the updates will be paid or like Maschine free upgrades. The question of the longevity of the new units supposedly covers at least five yrs from an unnamed source. Tutor you have contacts with Akai also right?
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By Blue Haze Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:49 pm
MPC-Tutor wrote:
Blue Haze wrote::| Well I hope the testers get it right.


Dont blame the testers for anything, those guys work very very hard. Ultimately any issues with the product are the responsibility of the company making it, period.



No blame just hope and I do know they have been working hard at.
By dazastah Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:16 pm
My reason would be purely enjoyment to buy it.. I enjoy sampling and the mpc1000 and 5000 offer this to me already. I have maschine and loved it but haven't used it in a while because of added features... Features that distract me from just sampling and chopping.. IF i use the ren or studio and it proves to be really fun to work with(just sampling) and it can transfer the projects to the older mpcs then i may buy it..
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By MONSTA Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:51 pm
hmmmm .. took the words right my mouth .. thats my point .. so if i agree am i a troll .. and after seening this post . and mite chage my mind . from buying this am i wrong ?? its good to see thiers people out thier who fell the same way u do .. he just worded it in a proper manner lol ...
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By MONSTA Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:57 pm
dazastah wrote:My reason would be purely enjoyment to buy it.. I enjoy sampling and the mpc1000 and 5000 offer this to me already. I have maschine and loved it but haven't used it in a while because of added features... Features that distract me from just sampling and chopping.. IF i use the ren or studio and it proves to be really fun to work with(just sampling) and it can transfer the projects to the older mpcs then i may buy it..





to each its own .. but dont you think 1299 is a expensive toy ?? plz help me understand .. so you are sayin u want the ren just to have fun and sample ?? hey im not knocking you at all .. i just dont understand ??