Why people complaining bout computer connection?

MONSTA wrote:

mr_debauch wrote:well open labs took a PC set of parts and components... an audio interface.. and some other bells and whistles and removed the cases... then they mounted all that stuff inside a USB midi controller case... then they stripped down windows XP (which is easy to do) (they apparently used windows 7 in later revisions)

you know what though? you could technically do that with the ren some time down the line... now that would be neat. Take some micro ATX main board, create an extension to the ren's casing ... and build a computer in it.. mount a small LCD display as small and compact as 7" and mount it somewhere on the ren body you added to..

boom, standalone ren. Hell, if you are afraid of viruses... put gum in the ethernet port.

OK debauch MAKE ME A STANDALONE MPC REN AND ILL PAY U 2299 DEAL ??

Honestly that's a genius idea. If you can't have it be standalone, I'll **** connect the smallest computer known to man! LOL

scoobylol wrote:I'm with you though, I believe there's a place for standalone units forever. As you say, VSTs are incredibly convenient there's no denying it, but there's downsides to that convenience.

I wonder how Akai will respond if and when their software is torrented, and cracked for use with another controller? Or for use on it's own.

There are downsides to owning hardware created almost 2 decades ago...but they are still useful. I dropped several hundred dollars on VSTs in the past few months and about to drop some more as I am getting UADs Neve bundle and well as their analog tape plugin. The MPC Ren got be excited about making music again....and its just a hobby for me.

As far as what Akai will do if/when their software is torrented or cracked....I assume the same thing any other company would do......

DJ Hellfire wrote:I for one wouldn't mind seeing a JAH vs Monsta beat battle!!!

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DJ Hellfire wrote:I for one wouldn't mind seeing a JAH vs Monsta beat battle!!!

I am intentionally staying clear of anything related to Monsta. No thanks. Besides...I am a grown azz man and not really interested in beat battles and call out threads

JAH wrote:

scoobylol wrote:I'm with you though, I believe there's a place for standalone units forever. As you say, VSTs are incredibly convenient there's no denying it, but there's downsides to that convenience.

I wonder how Akai will respond if and when their software is torrented, and cracked for use with another controller? Or for use on it's own.

There are downsides to owning hardware created almost 2 decades ago...but they are still useful. I dropped several hundred dollars on VSTs in the past few months and about to drop some more as I am getting UADs Neve bundle and well as their analog tape plugin. The MPC Ren got be excited about making music again....and its just a hobby for me.

As far as what Akai will do if/when their software is torrented or cracked....I assume the same thing any other company would do......

Well yes of course, particularly with older synths and tape-based products that need regular maintenance, servicing and tuning. I simply mean that I don't see standalone units being entirely replaced by VSTs ever. There will simply be better ways to use the two in conjunction, which will only highlight the advantages of each more. Either way I'm glad you've rekindled your passion!

I'd be interested to hear how your tape plugin sounds! Is it for saturation or tape-based delay effects too?

The reason I mention torrenting and cracking specifically is that we all know it will happen. It's only a matter of time. But then that will leave Akai very much out of pocket and possibly quite sour knowing they're supplying updates to people who haven't actually invested in their product.

When this happened to Apple with Logic back in version 5 or whenever they dropped PC support completely! I'm not suggesting Akai will give up at this stage, but I'd be interested to see their reaction. What do you think they would do?

scoobylol wrote:

JAH wrote:

scoobylol wrote:I'm with you though, I believe there's a place for standalone units forever. As you say, VSTs are incredibly convenient there's no denying it, but there's downsides to that convenience.

I wonder how Akai will respond if and when their software is torrented, and cracked for use with another controller? Or for use on it's own.

There are downsides to owning hardware created almost 2 decades ago...but they are still useful. I dropped several hundred dollars on VSTs in the past few months and about to drop some more as I am getting UADs Neve bundle and well as their analog tape plugin. The MPC Ren got be excited about making music again....and its just a hobby for me.

As far as what Akai will do if/when their software is torrented or cracked....I assume the same thing any other company would do......

Well yes of course, particularly with older synths and tape-based products that need regular maintenance, servicing and tuning. I simply mean that I don't see standalone units being entirely replaced by VSTs ever. There will simply be better ways to use the two in conjunction, which will only highlight the advantages of each more. Either way I'm glad you've rekindled your passion!

I'd be interested to hear how your tape plugin sounds! Is it for saturation or tape-based delay effects too?

The reason I mention torrenting and cracking specifically is that we all know it will happen. It's only a matter of time. But then that will leave Akai very much out of pocket and possibly quite sour knowing they're supplying updates to people who haven't actually invested in their product.

When this happened to Apple with Logic back in version 5 or whenever they dropped PC support completely! I'm not suggesting Akai will give up at this stage, but I'd be interested to see their reaction. What do you think they would do?

People that use cracked software are not the ones that would buy the product anyway. I personally don't see much use of the software without the hardware. Akai will do what all other companies do....there will be some form of copy protection. Every company that produces software has the same concern and use the same or similar methods to reduce cracks of their products. So its pointless to give the potential of this software being cracked further thought IMO.

I plan on buying the Studer A8000 multichannel tape recorder plugin, Ampex ATR 102 Mastering Tape recorder plugin, and one of the Neve bundles. I am buying these because they are highly regarded for their "warm, natural" sound....noting that I have not heard them personally. I haven't tracked a beat in years...but as I said before, this new product has me excited and I plan on spending more time with my hobbies.

As far as hardware...it will never die. If Akai simply came out with a software MPC, I wouldn't give it much thought. But they have went all out to design the MPC Ren. All the feedback I received is that it is well built...like an MPC not a glorified MPD.

I disagree. If the software wasn't available on torrent sites then if they wanted it they would HAVE to buy it. The fact they've searched for it and downloaded means they want it in some respect, they're simply not prepared to save up and pay for it. They simply use the "oh I wouldn't have bought it anyway" bullsh*t to justify theft. IMO.

You're right though I will not dwell on that point any more. There was a dedicated thread on that not long ago, and there's a lot of different opinions on the boards as you'd expect.

My point is, once it's cracked then surely that opens the floodgates for people to use the software with any controller that has the ability to be assigned to it. For example a controller they already have such as an MPD. Although I suppose that depends on how many functions are freely assignable within the software.

However, if the software was freely assignable once cracked then that would surely hurt hardware sales? That is my concern for Akai and this new line. At least you couldn't torrent a 5000

On average how much do these tape plugins cost? I've used Vintage Warmer before and a couple of real tape devices, but I'd be interested in anything you could recommend once you've tried them out.

scoobylol wrote:On average how much do these tape plugins cost? I've used Vintage Warmer before and a couple of real tape devices, but I'd be interested in anything you could recommend once you've tried them out.

I see no point in continuing that subject matter.....moving on.

The tape plugins I mentioned are $350 ea. The Neve Bundle is between $400-$1000. I have never used these types of plugins before as I don't mix. I have been happy two tracking a beatz with a little EQ as it was just for my own personal enjoyment. I will definitely give my soooo non-expert opinion on anything I purchase. This is really an expensive investment I am making. The Apollo interface that will be running those plugs is already $2000.

JAH wrote:

DJ Hellfire wrote:I for one wouldn't mind seeing a JAH vs Monsta beat battle!!!

I am intentionally staying clear of anything related to Monsta. No thanks. Besides...I am a grown azz man and not really interested in beat battles and call out threads

GROWN MEN BATTLE ALL THE TIME .. REAL BEAT MAKERS BATTLE .. SO I MUST SAY THIS . I HAD 2 GIVE IT SOME THOUGHT B4 I SAID LETS BATTLE .. ALL I DID WAS RESPOND 2 A POST .. IM JUST SICK OF YOUR SMART COMMENTS !! . U SAID intentionally staying clear of anything related to Monsta you should of did that a long time ago .. its 2 late now .. IM DONE WITH YOU .. I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW .. WHEN EVER WANT YOUR HEART BACK . .. JUST ASK .. IM DONE WITH YOU ... PS LAMPDOG U CAN REMOVE THIS AND CLOSE THIS THREAD LIKE .. HE WANTED IN THE FIRST PLACE

I WILL BE PUTTING @JAH . HEART UP FOR EBAY AUCTION SOON . TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER .. SINCE HE NO LONGER HAS ONE ...

monsta is on some next shit i dont get it

scooby is clutching at straws to find any reason not to like the ren just because it does not confirm to ur own personal needs.

there is a reason why maschine has been so popular over the past 3 years and akai were very heavy footed in they response but they have finally seen the light.

but all that shit about torrents yes it defo happens but by ur rationale none of the software companies should put out anything cause someone is is gonna crack it and share it on the web.

'Lots of people still on XP and an old as version OSX.'


Simple reason for this, DJ, is because about 90% of my virtuals and plugins still aren't 64 bit compat ? I'd love to take advantage of the higher ram option under 64, but, in truth, I manage just fine on my Pc with XP and only 3 gig of ram. Infact, I rarely get near 60% of system use in any given composition ... so, the way I look at it is that I have plenty of head room for a while yet.

[quote="jpeg"]monsta is on some next **** i dont get it




WHAT I MEANT WAS .. I JJUST GAVE MY TAKE ON WHY PEOPLE LIKE STANDALONE .. DOESNT MEAN . I DONT LIKE OR WONT BUY THE REN .. AND I DONT LIKE OR WONT BUY REN , ITS STILL MY CHOICE .. AND I FELL WHO EVER COMES ON THE AKAI FORUM LOVES MUSIC IN SOME KINDA SHAPE OF FORM .. YOU HAVE PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD WITH DIFFERNT BACKGROUNDS HERE .. AND THEY ALL HAVE A RIGHT 2 STATE HOW THEY FEEL .. UM THIS IS A FORUM RIGHT BUT THEN U GET PEOPLE LIKE @JAH NO MATER WHAT POINT U MAKE .. HE WILL NOT AGREE with you .. cuzz he loves akai so much .. AND THATS FINE I LIKE AKAI 2 .. BUT WHEN TURN AROUND AND TELL OTHER MEMBERS 2 ... IGNORE THEM .. THATS PURE HATE ... SO HE HAS THE HEART 2 MAKE COMMENTS LIKE THAT .. BUT HE DONT HAVE THE HEART 2 BATTLE ME .. SO THATS WHY I SAID HE HAS NO HEART .. AND I OWN IT .. IM JUST ANSWERING YOU .. IM OVER IT ..

JAH is seriously like the Afro-centric brand nubian of this place. It's hip hop, we smoke blunts, cyph til dawn, make neck breaking beats, and indulge in beautiful women. Tight ass everyday suit wearing ****. JAH everybody says you never put out your beats, you better be one hell of a breakdancer or you're contribution to this community is **** nothing but boring hype

GodDevilWhatever wrote:JAH is seriously like the Afro-centric brand nubian of this place. It's hip hop, we smoke blunts, cyph til dawn, make neck breaking beats, and indulge in beautiful women. Tight ass everyday suit wearing ****. JAH everybody says you never put out your beats, you better be one hell of a breakdancer or you're contribution to this community is **** nothing but boring hype

I know MPCs...I use MPCs...and I will own the MPC Ren as soon as it hits the streets like every other MPC before it.

I have been a forum member longer than 99% of you guys/gals...and even introduced this forum to a lot of members. Regardless of what anyone thinks of my contributions...it will not change my approach here. Foe me.....Don't read my comments if you find them boring.

If you don't like what the MPC Ren brings to the table...I respectfully ask you to consider taking your b!tching somewhere else...perhaps to the JJ OS Forum where everyone lives in bliss. Whatever you decide...find something positive to talk about for a change.....your negativty towards me, Akai, and the new MPCs is certainly not contributing anything of value to this forum..IMHO.