dillas time sig on this beat

^^I count the same. BTW I like stuff like that cause its like... learning a new language. The brain is so trained to the "count 4" rhythms that I find it very refreshning to listen to more complex stuff sometimes (not too complex please )
For example Genesis made some non 4/4 tracks
I can imagine Dilla creating a dope track out of this chords

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StfLy3pzno0

Zappa was totally crazy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHvdlBJZbow
quote from wikipedia:
"Keep It Greasy" by Frank Zappa (On the studio album, first verse and guitar solo are counted in 19/16 and another part is in 21/16)


peace

^^^ yeah foreal...i got some genesis records that have some pretty wild time sigs on em. Also i have a deodato record that I'm pretty sure has some obscure time signatures on it...all deodato stuff is ILL!!!! I like getting into stuff like that as well.

As far as beat makers go pete rock and dilla are the most entertaining to listen to for me. But dilla is just really musically complex for a hip hop beat maker. the more i get into counting bars of music and music theory as an entirety, the more dilla impresses me.

i hate to be that guy that rants on and on about dude, but foreal, i don't think theres a mind as musically brilliant in hip hop as dilla was.

the beat is in 6/4.

yeah ^^^ it is

tyrone_biggums wrote:^^ yeah sounds like it could be...honestly i counted both 3/4 and 6/4...im not great with time sig and music theory.

anyone wanna elaborate as to what time sig the wah is in? i thought its in 3/4, but it seems to me it could be either 3/4 or 6/4.

it sounds like the drums and the track itself are in 4/4 while the wah loops on 3/4 or 6/4

3/4 and 6/4 are the same thing, just would be 'count' different by the conductor. The 4 just means that each beat in a measure is equal to a 1/4 note(the pulse of the song) The 3 or 6 above is the number of beats in each measure(or bar). So really, if it's 3/4, you would simply have twice as many measures as 6/4

Like this:

6/4: 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6+ / 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6+//
3/4: 1 + 2 + 3 +/1 + 2 + 3 +/1 + 2 + 3 +/1 + 2 + 3 +//

tyrone_biggums wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hlzHLzGvD8

^^^ this loops got me confused as hell! is it in 5/4?

it sounds like the first bar of the loop is in 4/4 but then the second is in 5/4???

in the booklet for the album he says the loop is in 5/4 but when i try counting it it don't add up. i find myself counting the first bar of music in 4/4 n then the second bar of the loop in 5/4...im counting 9 total beats in the loop..what the hell is this considered?

confusing

9/4, there are nine 1/4 note beats per bar, you counted it correctly

^^^. Thanks for the clarification man, much appreciated

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the sample is 2 measures(bars) of 6/4 ; that makes a 12/4 loop
the beat is 3 measures(bars) of 4/4 ; that makes a 12/4 loop as well



a lot of music isn't in even meter though a lot of western music is. if you listen to classical or even jazz or a little bit more i guess "experimental", you see a lot of 5/4, 5/8, 7/4, 7/8 time sigs. odd meters are staples in a lot of folk **** too.

for "got got till it's gone" the beat seems pretty standard 4/4. The filtered electric piano chords (although probably played in live) broadly line up with this 4/4 meter. There is a filter envelope on the electric piano that leads to the interesting groove of the track but I seriously doubt this is aligned to a time signature or it is worth thinking of it in a different time signature.

The electric piano chords are not in 4/4, they loop at 6/4

tyrone_biggums wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hlzHLzGvD8

^^^ this loops got me confused as hell! is it in 5/4?

it sounds like the first bar of the loop is in 4/4 but then the second is in 5/4???

in the booklet for the album he says the loop is in 5/4 but when i try counting it it don't add up. i find myself counting the first bar of music in 4/4 n then the second bar of the loop in 5/4...im counting 9 total beats in the loop..what the hell is this considered?

confusing

There are loads of ways to look at this. You're right it is definitely two separate things going on though.

Initially it feels like one bar of 5/4 followed by one bar of 4/4.

If I had to play something like this live I'd just think two bars of 4/4 with an extra beat at the end to turn around.

Or

You can think of the first beat as a "pickup note" then count the rest as 2 bars of 4/4.

jamilgregory wrote:for "got got till it's gone" the beat seems pretty standard 4/4. The filtered electric piano chords (although probably played in live) broadly line up with this 4/4 meter. There is a filter envelope on the electric piano that leads to the interesting groove of the track but I seriously doubt this is aligned to a time signature or it is worth thinking of it in a different time signature.

Yeah I'm a bit confused here I'm not hearing anything other than standard 4/4.. the electric piano is just a 2 bar loop unless I'm missing something.

I don't think the loop repeats every six beats but if it did then it is best to just describe it as a loop that repeats every six beats. There are not multiple time signatures. Trying to describe it like that implies a misunderstanding of the term time signature. Also, 3/4 is NOT the same as 6/4 as someone above said. They appear to have a mathematical equivalence but the time signature also contains information about emphasis. One bar of 6/4 is (VS W W S W W) whereas two bars of 3/4 is (S W W S W W). (VS=very strong emphasis, S=strong emphasis, W=weak emphasis. On top of this time signatures are often traditionally connected with styles of music.