how do u get THICK drums...?

Discuss the various methods you use in music production, from compressor settings to equipment type.
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Re: how do u get THICK drums...?

By BGBEATS Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:41 am
red beans and rice will thicken em up,


layer your kick with a soft attack quick decay 808 boom

that will tighten her skirt up and make that ass seem phat



on her snares, get a eq goin on that mid range and play with the frequency til ya find the sweet spot of th drums ya got goin, reduce the frequencies that you don't want emphasized before boosting the ones you do
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Re: how do u get THICK drums...?

By kneebone77 Tue May 15, 2012 6:30 am
deck daddy wrote:I always get the results I want from just envelopes pitch and filtering, and don't feel the need for compression...


Remember y'all the MPC is a DRUM sampler. It's basic program structure is HIGHLY suited to getting Excellent drum results. just using envelops along with basic volume adjustments are allot like using compression. I find most singular samples can be made really fat and I personally tend to layer quite a bit. But not really to achieve fatness. I layer for the purpose of creating "unique" and "new" drum sounds.

Re: how do u get THICK drums...?

By jpeg Tue May 15, 2012 3:45 pm
personally neva used compression on drums or on anything at all, i feel beginners feel compression is the be all and end all to getting a fat mix and fat drums.

compression is defo over rated as far a production goes most peeps would be better off leaving it alone, let the mastering engineers compress ur shit at post production.

but during the beat making process u prolly dont need it to get fat/thick upfront drums

the keys are good drum sounds, how the drums are mix (relative volume to other track elements) plus layering and filtering.

very simple and im more then happy to sample drum breaks from youtube, mp3 or any other source and shit will sounds fat.

think of why peeps sample drums on a mpc60 or sp1200 the lower quality will add an inherrent compression like effect to the sounds anyhow so u dont need to go in there and start **** with compression.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
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Re: how do u get THICK drums...?

By Ill-Green Wed May 16, 2012 4:56 am
jpeg wrote:personally neva used compression on drums or on anything at all, i feel beginners feel compression is the be all and end all to getting a fat mix and fat drums.

compression is defo over rated as far a production goes most peeps would be better off leaving it alone, let the mastering engineers compress ur shit at post production.

but during the beat making process u prolly dont need it to get fat/thick upfront drums

the keys are good drum sounds, how the drums are mix (relative volume to other track elements) plus layering and filtering.

very simple and im more then happy to sample drum breaks from youtube, mp3 or any other source and shit will sounds fat.

think of why peeps sample drums on a mpc60 or sp1200 the lower quality will add an inherrent compression like effect to the sounds anyhow so u dont need to go in there and start **** with compression.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=


Thats what I've been saying since day one, KEEP IT RAW!!!
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Re: how do u get THICK drums...?

By peeping tom Wed May 16, 2012 5:31 am
sample drums in mono.
use breaks.
layer breaks with nice sounds.

Re: how do u get THICK drums...?

By jpeg Thu May 24, 2012 12:34 pm
poundaproblem wrote:
BGBEATS wrote:that will tighten her skirt up and make that ass seem phat


I now know that I am not alone in comparing the low end of my beats to female asses :lol: :lol:



a fat bass and thick drums is more satifying like **** that is thick
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Re: how do u get THICK drums...?

By Lampdog Fri May 25, 2012 5:23 am
kneebone77 wrote:I layer for the purpose of creating "unique" and "new" drum sounds.

Same here.

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By RoyGBivs Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:05 am
Any good knowledge sources for layering drums? Just filter out parts of the layered drums and resample? One trick I do with the 404 for fat drums is use the sub bass effect on my kicks, adds a nice low end like a 808 shot sub kick.
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Re: how do u get THICK drums...?

By DPM Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:59 am
RoyGBivs wrote:Any good knowledge sources for layering drums? Just filter out parts of the layered drums and resample? One trick I do with the 404 for fat drums is use the sub bass effect on my kicks, adds a nice low end like a 808 shot sub kick.


sometimes if i have kick drum that i really like, i'll make a copy of it and add a lp filter to it and layer it with the original or do the easy route and add some type of 808 or sub bass layer to it

i've also found that if i add a kick with more "Mid" to it, that it adds some clarity (maybe not the right word, but it allows the kick to punch more and "lay" in the track easier) to the layered kick and you're not stuck with a bunch of low end everywhere, just EQ correctly for the track, once you start layering.

(Layering is where its at :fku: )

Re: how do u get THICK drums...?

By Btracks81 Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:19 pm
Its a lot ways to achieve Thick drums. For me I like layering, then tracking my kicks through my UA 610 using proper gain staging, then i sidechain itb with a sub sine wave.
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Re: how do u get THICK drums...?

By Menco Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:48 am
Damn...This thread is almost 9 years old but still relevant.

This is how I do it and how it works for me. Lately I've been layering all my drums in Ableton. Direct FX and more control over each drumsound seperatly and also great overall control over the layered drumsound itself.

Kick and snare:
Make sure they have that 'punch'and a body.
Some kick drums have a nice warm body, but sound a bit 'flat'. Layer it with a kick drum that has some punch, and you will phatten up the overall sound of that drumsample.
Or the other way around where you have short tacky and punchy kickdrum, but it has no body. Layer it with beef (808 with slow attack)

Sometimes I use compression to put more emphasise on the punch. Most of the time I filter the body or use a shelf EQ. Cut in the creating process, boost later.

When all the the layered sounds combined form the drumsound I'm satisfied with I sometimes run it through the paramatic EQ where I boost some frequencies gently. No more then 3db in this stage. In this stage I also use some reverb. To me a little bit of reverb can add some snap to snares. To me this is already part of the mixing process.

If I want to have some sounds beefed up in the final mix I'd rather shape it a little bit instead of hoping that the engineer can make something good out of it.
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Re: how do u get THICK drums...?

By JuiceDeJedi Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:07 pm
The biggest secret to thick drums is moderately clean vinyl, significant rec level and most importantly of all is sampling your drums at 45rpm or 78 rpm, and detuning back to orginal pitch.....the whole soundscape of the drums get so grimy, also layering different drums that have been sampled help and it is an age old secret in hip hop for years especially with limited sampling time.....so hardware is secondary.......the vinyl is primary the source of the drums....they have to be fire im talking james brown, iron butterfly, brethren, little feat, the sons, isaac hayes, etc, get your breaks knowledge up...dont mess with them corny library stock sounds, boom bap has always been about that break that nobody knew about.....so go dig for drums and follow all the rites of beatmaking......oh yea for computers aka daws just resample your drums in 12 bit or 16 bit but the frequency rate has to be either 22khz or less for that grimyness and then start experimenting.....see how i flip drums and kicks on both Fl studio and the 2000xl.....on soundcloud....look for heru the jedi or heru da jedi either one i dont remember......but tell me if you can what i used for what and if you can tell the difference.
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Re: how do u get THICK drums...?

By Lampdog Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:39 pm
Menco wrote:Damn...This thread is almost 9 years old but still relevant.

VERY
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Re: how do u get THICK drums...?

By Borat Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:12 am
JuiceDeJedi wrote:so hardware is secondary


I really agree with that! My advices for this:

-Everybody says it's all about sampling vinyl. In my opinion it's not true. Great producers like Pete Rock, Primo, Large Pro, Dr Dre... used several sources: vinyl of course but also drum machines like TR 808, 909, 707, Linn Drum, Oberheim DMX... They also used romplers which have drum sounds(Proteus Planet phatt for example, and most of E-mu romplers). You can download all those sounds now, or the Proteus VX vst, which includes lots of dope drums. You can also use drums library and layer those sounds.
- Record all your drum sounds as flat as possible! You can still eq and add some fx after.
- Layering is really important and the MPC is a great machine to achieve it. You just need to think about how to get a particular drum sound. For example, a kick with a lot of body, one for the attack, and one which has some sub bass(this is why sampling strictly from vinyl don't always work, layering a sub bass or a TR808 kick will do great things)!
- I think these are the basics to have dope drums. Mixing them is important too. Once your beat is done, try to record everything in separated tracks. Add a high pass filter to the hi hat, a low pass for the kick, eq your snare to taste. Create a bus to insert all your drums sounds, and add a light reverb, this will make your drums fit well to your beat!

Of course everyone has his own method, but this is what i learned while trying to improve my drum sounds and this really works for me!
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