1k vs 2kXL

Hello All, I have a embarrassing question to ask cos I cannot seem to find an answer.

I'm thinking about getting a mpc and at first i wanted a 2kxl cos i thought id get that nice "crispy/thumpy" sound but the 1k obviously had better features so im torn.

The only questsion i have right now is do both units sound the same or different and to YOU what sounds better?

I hear the 2kxl colours the sound (of course)

and the 1k is clear sounding (no colour)

so is this true?

Thanks in advance for any reply's

Both sound fine - you can get crispy thumpy beats from both of them. I'd cross that off your list and concentrate on other features.

Thanks man. Yes I do know you can get that on both but from what I have gathered from research it seems the 2kxl SOUNDS different then the 1k, i dont want a how can i say it...modern sound, id just use logic and battery for that.

one of the reason's im interested in getting a mp is for "THAT famous mpc sound" which it seems the the 1k dosent do which is why i asked this question.

to further explain my intentions with it (as i see thats what eveyone askes in every thread similar to this [ also sorry for making another 1k vs 2kxl thread])

I mainly use logic 9 with alot of its own sounds plus my own drums and soft synths.

I am happy with the sounds and work flow BUT.....

I ALWAYS want to grab hardware and try it out, but its not an ez nor cheap experiment.

I saw a video of Wizz Dumb making beats and he just uses the mpc for the drums and just records all the synth and other sounds into which was something i always wondered if you could do.

I just always get that itch like we all do (who just use software) to get some hardware.

SO id like to bounce back and fourth with using logic to also using a mp and some synths from time to time to mix it up.

i saw a dude make a beat and he had logic loaded up and his mp seemed hooked up to it with its own channel routings threw logics mixer (kick snares samples etc)

THAT would be cool to do as well so i can mix along the way and track.

This is just an idea im throwing around and I am doing all the research i can b4 making up my mind and investing money so i gotta ask questions and research my ass off lol.

Thanks.

Thanks for the informative reply lol but ya ill be looking at 1k videos to see it more in action. I dont think i would get one any ways but dosent hurt to check it out

yea the 1k looks good (watching videos on it now) i dont like the pad size and i still want that gritty sound off the bat that the 1k dosent do so idk.... their are some cool features i like in the 1k though so idk, choices choices

jimbafrosty wrote:one of the reason's im interested in getting a mp is for "THAT famous mpc sound" which it seems the the 1k dosent do which is why i asked this question.

You know, when the 2000XL came out, people said it didn't have the classic MPC sound like the 3000 or the 60. Now people consider it to have the classic sound. In 10 years time, people will be moaning about the new 48 bit MPC8000-XL and how it hasn't got the cool retro 16 bit sound of the 1000.

If you want a grimy hip hop sound, get an SP1200 or MPC60 for the gritty low bitrate sampling quality. Otherwise, get any MPC for the workflow it provides. You can get any sound you want from a 1000 and have the bonus of JJOS2XL. But TBH, I'd go for the 2500 with JJOSXL - better pads, tilting screen etc.

I currently have a 2500, an XL, a 5000, a 1000, a 500 and a 2000 all hooked up to the same system. All sound great and I doubt I could tell the difference blindfolded.

Don't get too focussed on mystical 'sound' and 'swing' - MPCs work because of the intuitive way they are designed and built.

And trust me, the XL does not have a 'gritty sound' - whoever told you that was talking rubbish.

i dont wanna sound rude but i think you dont have enough MPCs dude lol :p

yea im not worried about swing but sound i am, i just love the drums that came from the 2xl/asr etc (and yes i also know that mixing has alot to do with it as well)

hmm idk ive been watching mpc 1k vids and seems like the work flow is great.

i cant aford a 2500 especially for just "dipping my toes" into the hardware side of things lol.

Thanks for the replys fellas i really do appreciate it.

im sick of always wanting to try out hardware and NOT doing it lol.

tutor writes books (tutorials) on the mpc machines... so he has lots of the models because he needs them for that.



If you are trying to get a 2000xl for some sort of gritty sound... I dont know what to tell you. I have never stumbled upon that gritty sound for the years I used that machine. Does it sound good? No, it does not... the samples you record into it sounds good if you record them that way... you record shit into any machine it will sound like shit.

oh yea i know that, i really dont want grit i want just that nice snappy sound i hear and others acquire from a mp or a asr etc (not saying both sound the same.

also i know he writes and what not im just joking around with him

thanks for the reply mr_debauch

MPC-Tutor wrote:Don't get too focused on mystical 'sound' and 'swing' - MPCs work because of the intuitive way they are designed and built.

And trust me, the XL does not have a 'gritty sound' - whoever told you that was talking rubbish.

I agree with the statement above. Although MPC-2000 have its own sound, I don't think there is something magical about the sound characteristic of 2000 (2000 classic and 2000XL both sounds the same, as far as I know.) Maybe, it sounds "gritty" by some (very, very subjective matter), but I don't think that's the best way to describe it. To me, it sounds "cold" (like Yamaha DX7, opposed to Roland Juno.)

jimbafrosty wrote:Hello All, I have a embarrassing question to ask cos I cannot seem to find an answer.

I'm thinking about getting a mpc and at first i wanted a 2kxl cos i thought id get that nice "crispy/thumpy" sound but the 1k obviously had better features so im torn.

The only questsion i have right now is do both units sound the same or different and to YOU what sounds better?

I hear the 2kxl colours the sound (of course)

and the 1k is clear sounding (no colour)

so is this true?

Thanks in advance for any reply's

Dont worry about color if you have a DAW. You can color your mix or do any corrective mixing in your DAW.

I've had both. I like the 1k with JJOS XL better. The modulation matrix is ingenious...IMHO.

You can't go wrong with either machine.

i dont really want to colour it in the daw or id just not use hardware for the most part. the point of itfor me is not just the hands on part but the sound quality too.

thanks

Again.

I'd try to differentiate my comment from the rest as it seems you want to believe there is actually a functional difference between 2K and 1K sound.

They are different machines and have different sound.

As in the statement every human being is singular and different from the rest of humanity.

No, truly... don't let you be fooled, they have a slightly different set of features being from different generations and different sets of components, of course BUT none of them has an appreciable effect on the final sound, which would be dependent on the settings/tweaking you apply during the WHOLE process.

Search the Forum for samplers shout-outs, there is enough comparison material for you to realize with your ears that there is no SPECIFIC audible difference.

What about Preemo, his 60/950 combo and shit?!?

He's Preemo, and his sound it's more dependent on a different combo, the one made by his ears and fingers.