By TreCipher617
Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:39 pm
thats cause u don't even come close to understanding what he's doing
By Lampdog
Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:44 pm
Coz wrote:I've heard plenty of madlib and at no point have I thought sampling was being pushed to the limit. Not by a trillion miles.
Not to hurt any feelings but I'm going to agree with Coz.
Stop getting automatically offended when you see gold letters!
By peterpiper
Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:04 pm
I couldn't agree more. Neeither in sampling editing nor sample combinations/collages
while I like the second one more I know that with the copyright issue noone can really release an album or even a song that could mess with something like "It takes a nation of millions"
"Get it together" by the Beastie Boys is another example. Count the samples (and dont forget all those little pieces/scratches) in this song.
And this was just a start of showing the possibilities of samplecollages. I wonder why I don't hear kind of this stuff. Are there any artists out there who really care about collages of 30+ samples from different samplingsources in a one song? I can understand that this stuff wont make it to a real CD/Vinyl release but I don't even hear this on soundcloud or somewhere else on the net. Why? There is still such a great potential in it!
peace
while I like the second one more I know that with the copyright issue noone can really release an album or even a song that could mess with something like "It takes a nation of millions"
"Get it together" by the Beastie Boys is another example. Count the samples (and dont forget all those little pieces/scratches) in this song.
And this was just a start of showing the possibilities of samplecollages. I wonder why I don't hear kind of this stuff. Are there any artists out there who really care about collages of 30+ samples from different samplingsources in a one song? I can understand that this stuff wont make it to a real CD/Vinyl release but I don't even hear this on soundcloud or somewhere else on the net. Why? There is still such a great potential in it!
peace
By mastasteez
Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:06 pm
^ you are a producer right? Get on it man 
By Lampdog
Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:08 pm
Attention spans are shorter.
Patience is few and few in-between in this age of "how can I quickly do ________ (insert anything here)."
So many more tools it's more confusing for beginners to know where to start thus losing focus on actually making music and putting in work.
Patience is few and few in-between in this age of "how can I quickly do ________ (insert anything here)."
So many more tools it's more confusing for beginners to know where to start thus losing focus on actually making music and putting in work.
Stop getting automatically offended when you see gold letters!
By TreCipher617
Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:45 pm
madlib shows the advancement of sampling in every track he makes, if u can't hear it grow ears.
By Roger Nodge
Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:56 pm
TreCipher617 wrote:madlib shows the advancement of sampling in every track he makes, if u can't hear it grow ears.
Madlib is tied for 1st along with JD for my fav producer's. I agree with this statement but question...what are the limits of sampling?
If you're not able to clearly define that then how do we know we are getting close to them. To me it seems the potential is infinite, even for Madlib. I'm guessing that's the exact reason he is the workhorse that he is and he doesn't seem to be slowing down anytime soon. 
By jnorth
Thu Aug 09, 2012 5:02 pm
TreCipher617 wrote:madlib shows the advancement of sampling in every track he makes, if u can't hear it grow ears.
Not really to be honest. Not by a million miles and Madlib is one of my fave producers. Madlib to me shows how much you can do with so little. He's not doing nothing new in regards to sampling though. The material he's sampling might be unique and he might have an ear for unique samples, but it's nothing new. Producers have been searching for unique samples for years.
Too many madlib tracks where he's taken a whole loop or large chunks as well so he's definetly not 'pushing sampling to it's limits'. Look for the samples that he uses and you'd be suprised how little he's done to it, but if it sounds good then why not?
Prince did the Quas thing way before Quas btw ('if I was your Girlfriend').
By jpeg
Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:12 pm
madlib aint pushing sampling to no new heights he just carrying the torch of what pete rock was doing, but obviously he doing it in his own way.
his productions are very simple but he got a good ear, the thing that puts madlib over the edge is his ear and his jazz mentality that allows him to be so prolific and alos the learning to play insturments and combining that with his sampling.
so yeah the whole jazz band that he does byhimself is crazy but his actual sample based beat on the 303 or on madvillian or jaylib was standard practice hip hop in terms of technique, and often dude will just loop something up ill.
his productions are very simple but he got a good ear, the thing that puts madlib over the edge is his ear and his jazz mentality that allows him to be so prolific and alos the learning to play insturments and combining that with his sampling.
so yeah the whole jazz band that he does byhimself is crazy but his actual sample based beat on the 303 or on madvillian or jaylib was standard practice hip hop in terms of technique, and often dude will just loop something up ill.
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By keepitcherry
Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:45 pm
i dig madlib's work but pushing sampling to new limits??! half the time the guy loops something up and doesn't even add drums to it and calls it a beat. i would not call that pushing it to new limits.
By sensei
Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:03 am
Madlib is dope, but in that field of things and in terms of sampling, I'd say his brother OH NO is pushing things a bit further.
The thing is the pair of them can do anything really. They're at the point where they both have their sound and styles and just get better at it. And I don't mean they do the one thing all the time either.
OH NO is a big gamer nerd apparently. That might have something to do with his slightly more tech approach. I don't know, nor do i care that much.
On Madlib's sampling though. I think his choice of drums(samples) is interesting, for a few different reasons. It's been interesting to see it unfold/evolve.
Loops have gone hand in hand with hip hop and rap from the beginning. It's hard to be critical of anyone that does it (fact is that I do from time to time cause I love it). But if you listen to a lot of Madlib's music (and there is a lot), there's definitely a lot of stuff that has really interesting things going on in the way he composes using some samples and with regards to mutes, placement and levels. It's definitely very individual and while not being entirely original, it's also definitely very clever. However, and as noted by others here, a lot of Madlib's stuff is straight loops (and it's great) but that shouldn't diminish his inventiveness when he decides to do it.
I must admit that I don't follow too many producers these days. Too busy making music, but a lot of the really interesting stuff in sampling I hear though, is from people "self sampling". And a number of these guys are from fields in the area you mentioned jnorth.
There's so much music going on at the moment. There's a lot of waffle but I've been fortunate enough to know one or two real savvy DJ/selectors who have time to find the doper side of things and it's definitely out there, it's happening. There's some interesting sampling going on whether it be from vinyl or from self performance or wherever.
Just enjoy what you do and focus on the other stuff that you appreciate.
The thing is the pair of them can do anything really. They're at the point where they both have their sound and styles and just get better at it. And I don't mean they do the one thing all the time either.
OH NO is a big gamer nerd apparently. That might have something to do with his slightly more tech approach. I don't know, nor do i care that much.
On Madlib's sampling though. I think his choice of drums(samples) is interesting, for a few different reasons. It's been interesting to see it unfold/evolve.
Loops have gone hand in hand with hip hop and rap from the beginning. It's hard to be critical of anyone that does it (fact is that I do from time to time cause I love it). But if you listen to a lot of Madlib's music (and there is a lot), there's definitely a lot of stuff that has really interesting things going on in the way he composes using some samples and with regards to mutes, placement and levels. It's definitely very individual and while not being entirely original, it's also definitely very clever. However, and as noted by others here, a lot of Madlib's stuff is straight loops (and it's great) but that shouldn't diminish his inventiveness when he decides to do it.
I must admit that I don't follow too many producers these days. Too busy making music, but a lot of the really interesting stuff in sampling I hear though, is from people "self sampling". And a number of these guys are from fields in the area you mentioned jnorth.
There's so much music going on at the moment. There's a lot of waffle but I've been fortunate enough to know one or two real savvy DJ/selectors who have time to find the doper side of things and it's definitely out there, it's happening. There's some interesting sampling going on whether it be from vinyl or from self performance or wherever.
Just enjoy what you do and focus on the other stuff that you appreciate.
By Unfolding Machines
Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:49 am
peterpiper wrote:...I know that with the copyright issue noone can really release an album or even a song that could mess with something like "It takes a nation of millions"
...
I wonder why I don't hear kind of this stuff. Are there any artists out there who really care about collages of 30+ samples from different samplingsources in a one song? I can understand that this stuff wont make it to a real CD/Vinyl release but I don't even hear this on soundcloud or somewhere else on the net. Why? There is still such a great potential in it!
Probably because it SUCKS to make tracks with loads of samples unless you love the 'noise' aspect of things and want dissonance. I've tried making beats with a dozen (mostly tonal, no percussion) sound sources (30+ samples in one beat???!?!?! **** THAT!) and keeping everything sounding smooth & not like a mess is near impossible. There were dud notes everywhere.
I've got as much respect for sound collage artists as the next guy, but I'm not making them because making them is like learning a Steve Vai guitar solo. Impressive, hard to do, but doesn't really achieve much more than learning a Black Sabbath riff (or making a simple, expressive beat). Hence why this topic ended up discussing Madlib.
To do collages right (ie- DJ Shadow, The Avalanches) you need to be a really experienced DJ. Who has the money & spare time to do that these days?
Back on topic:
sensei wrote:Music shouldn't be sport.I see your point but I disagree. Hip hop is competitive by its own nature & that's why I love getting involved in beat comps. By hearing how everyone else flips samples I reckon I can get better than them next time. Doesn't matter if I get it wrong & lose a battle (beat battles are all based on votes, therefore the winner is based on subjective decisions & isn't measurable), plus there's always next round. Now, to make the distinction between being honorable or a douchebag- you gotta do that in sport. Otherwise there's no point to it. Even old jazz tunes used solos to effectively try & outshine the last soloist. People are going to be competitive no matter what.
@JNorth:
I hear you brother! There's loads of "Next Level Aqua Beats Boss Level Shit" getting around at the moment (even though you named my all time favourite producer- Shadow). There's a real perception that if you're not using the same DAWS, synth presets & no quantize (with a shit sense of rhythm) then you're being left behind (at least where I live, gave up going to beat-scene gigs because they're full of narrow-eared sycophants). Fingers crossed its all just a fad.
*Just noticed I've heard anyone sample the break in that Sabbath track... Hmmm...
By Roger Nodge
Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:19 pm
Unfolding Machines wrote:peterpiper wrote:...I know that with the copyright issue noone can really release an album or even a song that could mess with something like "It takes a nation of millions"
...
I wonder why I don't hear kind of this stuff. Are there any artists out there who really care about collages of 30+ samples from different samplingsources in a one song? I can understand that this stuff wont make it to a real CD/Vinyl release but I don't even hear this on soundcloud or somewhere else on the net. Why? There is still such a great potential in it!
Probably because it SUCKS to make tracks with loads of samples unless you love the 'noise' aspect of things and want dissonance. I've tried making beats with a dozen (mostly tonal, no percussion) sound sources (30+ samples in one beat???!?!?! **** THAT!) and keeping everything sounding smooth & not like a mess is near impossible. There were dud notes everywhere.
I've got as much respect for sound collage artists as the next guy, but I'm not making them because making them is like learning a Steve Vai guitar solo. Impressive, hard to do, but doesn't really achieve much more than learning a Black Sabbath riff (or making a simple, expressive beat). Hence why this topic ended up discussing Madlib.
To do collages right (ie- DJ Shadow, The Avalanches) you need to be a really experienced DJ. Who has the money & spare time to do that these days?
Back on topic:sensei wrote:Music shouldn't be sport.I see your point but I disagree. Hip hop is competitive by its own nature & that's why I love getting involved in beat comps. By hearing how everyone else flips samples I reckon I can get better than them next time. Doesn't matter if I get it wrong & lose a battle (beat battles are all based on votes, therefore the winner is based on subjective decisions & isn't measurable), plus there's always next round. Now, to make the distinction between being honorable or a douchebag- you gotta do that in sport. Otherwise there's no point to it. Even old jazz tunes used solos to effectively try & outshine the last soloist. People are going to be competitive no matter what.
@JNorth:
I hear you brother! There's loads of "Next Level Aqua Beats Boss Level Shit" getting around at the moment (even though you named my all time favourite producer- Shadow). There's a real perception that if you're not using the same DAWS, synth presets & no quantize (with a shit sense of rhythm) then you're being left behind (at least where I live, gave up going to beat-scene gigs because they're full of narrow-eared sycophants). Fingers crossed its all just a fad.
*Just noticed I've heard anyone sample the break in that Sabbath track... Hmmm...
I got some sabbath i'm working on, a lot of riffs I want to hear looped and with bangin drums.
By dtaa pla muk
Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:43 pm
guise madlib is pushing sampling past its limits if you need an example you automatically lose and must be a stupid albino because it is self evident even if you haven't ever heard madlib TROLOLOL
madlib: short but dope offbeat jingles using minimally processed phrase samples and a lot of side chaining spatial manipulation.
i disagree with the guy who said that to be good at sample collage you have to have been a good dj
this is typical dj-centrism. look, being a good dj is a great skill and yes we all love the Scratch documentary, but it is not the only way toward being a good hip hop composer OR sample collage artist.
madlib: short but dope offbeat jingles using minimally processed phrase samples and a lot of side chaining spatial manipulation.
i disagree with the guy who said that to be good at sample collage you have to have been a good dj
this is typical dj-centrism. look, being a good dj is a great skill and yes we all love the Scratch documentary, but it is not the only way toward being a good hip hop composer OR sample collage artist.