Forum to discuss all matters relating to the MPC1000 and MPC2500 operating systems created by 'JJ' (all versions).
By Jamon Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:01 am
They should just release whatever they have. That fear about being exposed leading to being attacked isn't entirely baseless, but it seems to be overly paranoid a lot of the time, and it's possible to defend against threats.

But with an old product like that, it's not generating income anymore, so anything you do with it is a loss. To do a run of ROMs or whatever is an expense, with no direct gains. Plus it could be creating new expectations of support and legal problems.

It's why it's more attractive to bury something than set it free to continue living outside you. As long as it's alive out there, it is felt to be an ongoing risk, which either requires cost to maintain, or is an unpredictable source of problems.

That's being conservative though. A company can also have the strength to think outside the scaredy box, and attempt something with a bigger purpose than just following the path set out for them by market forces of profit and loss.

But with JJ, what are the odds anyone cares? Even if there's some existing agreement or expectation with someone who might care like Akai, there's often a way to make things work, when you are willing to push through a path with resistance.

With bigger companies a major reason why nothing like that occurs is because there's no standard operating procedure for it. Most bigger businesses have no brains, and just behave like market robots. There's no one in charge really, to decide.

But JJ sounds like some guy, with another replying to emails and maybe managing the website. Akai isn't even in Japan anymore are they? What are the odds that opening up more would cause problems, and even if so, how big of problems?

If it's really such an impossible environment where everything must just follow the most conservative route just to hope to exist, then that doesn't sound very fun. So what if he gets sued, life is short, might as well try to do something with it.

Either way, not answering generally around how many people use JJ OS is ridiculous. Their website has a big old counter from the '90s. It says, "0898316". But that will go up each time someone hits, and they refresh to check for updates.

If JJ OS is 5 years old, it averages 180k/year. It seems high, but if we allowed for 10% of those hits to be paying customers, that's 18,000. If we guess it's closer to 1%, since there's so many Google hits, refreshes, manual reads, etc. that's 1,800.

They could've answered. I doubt it matters much. Which manufacturer won't give you the OS?
By innovine Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:12 pm
Jamon wrote:Why is JJ untouchable, where any questioning of its decisions, any critique of its quality, is met with defense, and people standing up for him


My guess is that they are worried that if any critique comes up, JJ might simply lose interest and quit working on it. Which is reasonable I suppose.
By MPCdawk Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:45 pm
Jamon wrote:...Which manufacturer won't give you the OS?


You make a lot of good points!

To be fair to this manufacturer they do still have units in production that use evolved versions of the OS so I can understand why they wont release anything. Maybe getting the older units up to latest spec would affect sales of the newer units I don't know, but I doubt it as the old units have nowhere near the horsepower of the later ones.

And I wont mention their name at this point, maybe after I have a copy of that OS! Lol. Besides, it's not the end of the world, my unit is still useful even without the upgrade.
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By Pastor-of-Muppets Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:14 pm
I've been away from the forum for a while and knew nothing about the new screen, so thought I'd read this thread, but I also have to ask if Jamon can stop writing essays with every post.

Jamon wrote:How else do you share information in depth? I don't have to if it's a problem.


By learning to edit and be concise. It's not easy, it does take skill & practice, it's a big part of what makes good writers better than poorer ones. Just hitting [Enter] a couple of times after every few sentences doesn't count.

"It seems that perfection is reached not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." -- Antoine de Saint Exupéry
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By Pastor-of-Muppets Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:24 pm
MPCdawk wrote:To be fair to this manufacturer they do still have units in production that use evolved versions of the OS so I can understand why they wont release anything.


The OS might contain code licensed from other companies, which they have a license to use, but would not be allowed to release.

Unfortunately I think it will be many years before most music gear manufacturers understand the benefits of open source, which would let user communities support discontinued products themselves and create their own improvements (rather than relying on one skilled person in Japan producing an alternative OS that's just as closed)
By innovine Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:50 am
Companies generally don't want their old discontinued products hangng around and receiving uprades and attention, they are, after all, discontinued for a reason: to let the company sell newer products instead.

Just look at smartphones... obsolete after a few weeks and generally worthless, unfashionable and begining to fail after a year. It's a business model that leads to ever cheaper junk rather than quality product, but there's no doubt that it works. People are so stupid, it makes me sad.
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By empeecee.P Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:00 pm
Jamon wrote:See, JJ isn't part of the user community in a sharing way. They don't participate in these forums, the backend development process is done in secrecy


JJ is New World Order :lol:
By m56p87 Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:41 pm
I may not tottally agree with jamon, but dude is definitely not freaking out and going nuts. Just because he's prepared to have a more in depth conversion about this topic than most of us dosnt mean he's tripping the **** out.

I agree that at certain points software Dev's can get more into adding new features than just fixing old ones and adding stability. But JJ is definitely not sluffing when it comes to the work he puts into coding. I know where your coming from with the whole "left out thing" but I think that's just more a mindset rather than what's going on. Bottom line a new product came out so it's getting some attention but your far from being left in the dust.

If JJOS was a huge company I don't think we would have this topic, but since it's a single dude from the community you expect a lot more from him.

Just my two cents.