are s950 and 12 bit samplers overrated?

You can hear more of it if you download the whole pack:

Shootout zip:
http://www.fromafarawayplace.com/fromaf ... 0Addon.zip

Info here:

http://sampler-shootout.fromafarawayplace.com/


Also to hear the 950 in a track (1:40 - 1:55)...
(Snare layered with s3200 layered snare.. kik hats snare sampled hot into the 950):

Borat wrote:

Ian Canefire wrote:what i meant was 24bit 96khz or 24bit 44.1khz sampling vinyl will make your drums sound good enough.
you know Borat that is what is needed a dictionary of MPC wavs.
We should have the same song say "Just to get a Rep" by Gangstar and take the drums from it and sample it in the:
S950
3200xl
s5000
MPC60 thru 5000

Check this: http://soundcloud.com/sampler-shootout
The S950 sounds nice, i'd like to hear more of it!

Thanks, it sounds dope! You've got some nice songs too

Get a Zoom st224 Sampletrak. $85. Make it sound like whatever you want it to.

If you're curious about the s-950 sound

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znqxqPMizlM

they ain't worth the hassle

ur best bet is to sample with them, apply some fx, then resample into your new stuff and do all chopping and saving the normal way

sequencing, chopping, and saving on 12 bits takes too long

tonyscarbones wrote:they ain't worth the hassle

ur best bet is to sample with them, apply some fx, then resample into your new stuff and do all chopping and saving the normal way

sequencing, chopping, and saving on 12 bits takes too long

You don't know what you're talking about.

peace

Mr Guiness wrote:Get a Zoom st224 Sampletrak. $85. Make it sound like whatever you want it to.

Yes that thing is nice, poor man's SP12!

peterpiper wrote:
You don't know what you're talking about.

Like Pete said.

In the end, the only person you satisfy is yourself with these expensive and technically limited vintage machines. The consumers (the ones that actually purchase and listen) to your music can't tell if you used an MPC or a SP1200. "WE" (producers) know the difference, but they probably ain't about to buy it either, so why go through all the trouble. Plus, 10 times out of ten, if a producer wanted to buy your music, they wouldn't put the album back on the rack because you didn't use a particular sampler to run your drums through! Just find a way to emulate the sound the cheapest way possible with the gear you already have, this way you create your own sound that no one can duplicate.
I've owned the Emax-1, SP12 Turbo, Emulator, Casio RZ-1, and used the MPC-60 and MPC3000. Made beats with all of them...no one ever noticed what sampler I used. I still own a few for collectable reasons; haven't turned them on in years. They look nice though.
* IMO *

s950/s900 is different case IMO, sure its vintage but how many samplers out right now can you do crossfade and alternating loops? variable chunk size on the time stretch? live pitch bender? selectable sample rates?

S-950 all the way

Their impact on the sound is overrated.
You don't need them to get that 90-96 "Golden Era" sound that people are usually after when buying them.
Proof: Damu The Fudgemunk
He doesn't use any of those and his sound is more "Golden Era" than most of the stuff that came out during that time.

On the other hand hardware samplers in general offer a workflow that i prefer over the one you get from current software samplers.
That is a reason for me to still buy those old samplers, not the 12 bit aspect.

CellarDoor wrote:Their impact on the sound is overrated.
You don't need them to get that 90-96 "Golden Era" sound that people are usually after when buying them.
Proof: Damu The Fudgemunk
He doesn't use any of those and his sound is more "Golden Era" than most of the stuff that came out during that time.

On the other hand hardware samplers in general offer a workflow that i prefer over the one you get from current software samplers.
That is a reason for me to still buy those old samplers, not the 12 bit aspect.

yeah true.. but then again... limitations is a big part of what makes the sound.. we chop and select differently when we dont have unlimited sample time. damu is using a 2000 with no ram upgrade.. If my math is nearly correct.. that offers about as much sample time as a ram upgraded mpc60. (1.5mb @ 12 bit is close to 2.0mb @ 16 bit..) Maybe part of that sound is the choices people make when choosing samples due to that... as well as the gear used.

CellarDoor wrote:Their impact on the sound is overrated.
Proof: Damu The Fudgemunk
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I've only just starting educating myself on damu, but isn't he a hardcore sp1200 user? Atleast everything I have seen of him is on the sp1200 and is featured predominantly in the sp1200 book that came out. Of course the sp1200 is 12bit at 26khz.

Am I missing something? I could watch his 7 mins of beats with the sp1200 on YouTube for days!

Damu uses the MPC 2000 for all his stuff. All mixing is done in Pro Tools.
See here

The guy in the 7 Minutes of Sound - SP1200 Beats is Grap Luva (a friend of Damu and the brother of Pete Rock). Damu is only filming him in that video.