Sample Edit Mode discussion

tapedeck wrote:can you do it with the 4000? like actually adjust a start point as the sequence is running?

Yes, and with JJ.

Coz wrote:

tapedeck wrote:can you do it with the 4000? like actually adjust a start point as the sequence is running?

Yes, and with JJ.

awesome - so ren (and studio i guess), jj, and 4k are the mpcs where you can edit a sample (start point etc) while sequence is running.

great info to have. thank you.

Hey quick question.....@ 0:36 is that considered Zooming in with respect to sample editing? just asking cause I don't know.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkF-evh5msA

Also with the REN I notice that alot of videos from the company touch on editing loops, in particular drum loops.....what up with that....I would like to see some editing of single shots of something sampled.....

tapedeck wrote:

JAH wrote:Of course you can. The only thing you can't do with the sequencer running as of OS1 is save/load.

thanks - i dont get the 'of course' part because is there any other mpc that can do this?

my experience is with xl and very very limited jjosxl.

can you do it with the 4000? like actually adjust a start point as the sequence is running?

anyway thats cool if you can.
i think separating the 'sample edit' and 'program params' into two different sections has always been silly - barring basic truncation. the whole point of RAM is that its dynamic and so to have to set in stone something like sample start seems sort of backwards to me.

The last 2-3 MPCs they have been increasingly adding functions that you can do without stopping the sequencer. This is essential to work flow these days.

I would love to see some merging of different modes. But there are so many directions you can go in without alienating the MPC base and other potential buyers. Sample Record and Sample Edit can be one mode. Sample Editing and Program editing could be nice to have combined in some fashion.

Coz wrote:It shouldn't come down to a choice between basic functionality or new features. The one entails workflow refinements and the other adds creative options. They should be added in tandem.

What is considered basic functionality was defined by their research/consulting. Time constraints is a huge factor in determining what gets added and when. This is a brand new product. Everyone has their favorite features they want to see added.

The producers Akai spoke with still use the MPC 3000 and 60 without waveform editing. But then you have forum members ranting that is what was most important to them in spite of the fact that your PC monitor has a huge waveform view.....there goes your pad duplicate and window prompts for doing basic sample editing. This is not how things actually went down..but it is an example how things could go..

JAH wrote:The last 2-3 MPCs they have been increasingly adding functions that you can do without stopping the sequencer. This is essential to work flow these days.

so im confused now - coz said you can do it with a 4k and jj, but you are saying you can do it with a 5k and a stock 1k/2.5k/500 (the last few mpcs released)?


again i am specifically referring to adjusting sample start/end/loop params while seq is running.

i am very curious about this function therefore serious about an accurate answer. i didnt think you could do it on a stock 2.5/1k or a 500 and i have no idea about 5k.

so it seems like my 2kxl is way more stable and up to date then the ren...?

bicedidit wrote:so it seems like my 2kxl is way more stable and up to date then the ren...?

you definitely CAN NOT edit a sample while the seq is running on a 2kxl - though it would be awesome.

...but i sense a little trolling

waveform editing/zooming, sample processing, realtime timestretch. from what i gather, these basic options have not been successfully implemented into the ren... am i correct? or did i misunderstand JAH's post?

if im correct, this is really disappointing.

Im pretty sure i could edit sample whilst sequence played on the 5000

DJ A-Sharp wrote:Also with the REN I notice that alot of videos from the company touch on editing loops, in particular drum loops.....what up with that....I would like to see some editing of single shots of something sampled.....

I'm obviously not Akai and can't factually answer this, but if I had to guess, I think it's because add/remove slices isn't in the current OS.
Drum Loops provide easy to see/detect transients. Because of this, when they want to show you how "Chop by Threshold" works, it works great. It picks up all the drum hits.
Now a sample with some strings with a slow attack, or a record with pops and clicks, the transients in the samples may very subtle, and the software won't detect the exact points as easily. This is where Add/Remove slices is a game changer, and you can set the threshold to get a general set up for slicing, and go in and add/remove slices as necessary.
For now there are several ways to get the slices you want, but none as good as it would be with add/remove slices implemented, the way Recycle, EXS24, and several other known competitors have it implemented.

JAH wrote:What is considered basic functionality was defined by their research/consulting.

I don't believe anyone at Akai could be described as a serious samplist, which is why they tapped up all these has-been producers for inspiration. Innovation within a company stems from innovative employees. Akai has none IMO.

JAH wrote:The producers Akai spoke with still use the MPC 3000 and 60 without waveform editing.

As amazing as those machines were in their day, this is a prime example of why they needed to start at the top (4K/5K) and work their way down (60/3000), rather than the other way round.

Coz wrote:

MIDIchlorian wrote:You can just press undo if you don't like the results.

With destructive edits you should be given the option to overwrite or create a new sample. As you know, it's a nice addition to the 4K even if 75% of the time you overwrite.

To be honest I put that in as a feature request about 8 months ago,so I'm on top of it.
But Im used to just pressing undo now.

Coz wrote:

JAH wrote:What is considered basic functionality was defined by their research/consulting.

I don't believe anyone at Akai could be described as a serious samplist, which is why they tapped up all these has-been producers for inspiration. Innovation within a company stems from innovative employees. Akai has none IMO.

JAH wrote:The producers Akai spoke with still use the MPC 3000 and 60 without waveform editing.

As amazing as those machines were in their day, this is a prime example of why they needed to start at the top (4K/5K) and work their way down (60/3000), rather than the other way round.

You love insulting people don't you? It's obvious you don't know anything about the Akai employees working on this project nor the producers Akai consulted with. Plus there are multiple MPC , NI, and Gearslutz forum members that are/were involved with testing who submitted numerous ideas to include everything mentioned in these forums to include this thread.

What innovative idea have you every discussed?

Also, the MPC 4000 and 5000 are the least popular MPCs. The MPC 4000 only received some legendary status after Akai stopped making them and went from $3000 plus machines to $1000 eBay auctions.

MIDIchlorian wrote:To be honest I put that in as a feature request about 8 months ago,so I'm on top of it.
But Im used to just pressing undo now.

Yeah...I know you like that.

But that is one of the most annoying thing about the MPC 4000. To have a pop-up for every little thing you do makes me want to throw it out the window. I would certainly like options to turn certain functions on and off.

IMAKEMADBEATS wrote:

DJ A-Sharp wrote:Also with the REN I notice that alot of videos from the company touch on editing loops, in particular drum loops.....what up with that....I would like to see some editing of single shots of something sampled.....

I'm obviously not Akai and can't factually answer this, but if I had to guess, I think it's because add/remove slices isn't in the current OS.
Drum Loops provide easy to see/detect transients. Because of this, when they want to show you how "Chop by Threshold" works, it works great. It picks up all the drum hits.
Now a sample with some strings with a slow attack, or a record with pops and clicks, the transients in the samples may very subtle, and the software won't detect the exact points as easily. This is where Add/Remove slices is a game changer, and you can set the threshold to get a general set up for slicing, and go in and add/remove slices as necessary.
For now there are several ways to get the slices you want, but none as good as it would be with add/remove slices implemented, the way Recycle, EXS24, and several other known competitors have it implemented.

Wait wait wait.....so if I have a drum loop and just want a snare or i have a guitar loop and just want a certain strum, are you saying that i can't trucate the end points and delete what I don't want?

Or did I read you wrong........

JAH wrote:You love insulting people don't you? It's obvious you don't know anything about the Akai employees working on this project nor the producers Akai consulted with.

There's no need to get emotional.

The faces of Akai (Dan and Andy) aren't serious samplists. Owning a sampler doesn't make you one either. Andy's personal videos show that he's a keyboardist first and foremost, with a penchant for the talk box. Dan has also made comments about owning multiple synths, and from the videos it's obvious he couldn't tap out a beat in time if his life depended on it.

Of the people they consulted, half or more are virtually unknown and the rest created their best work years ago. Sad but true.